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Nah. Rona was like 99.8% non death rate.

epistasis 4y ago
US population is 335M, 1.02M people have died from COVID. Even if 100% of people got COVID, that would be 99.7% survival rate. But we have lots of vaccination, which huuuuugely reduced the death rate, so a far more realistic death rate would be 0.6%-1%. And of course any of the early estimates were exactly in that range. Anybody who has been advocating lower rates are all charlatans. At least every claim I have traced.
- spookthesunset 4y ago
  Now break that down by age. And for bonus points tell me which people died “from” Covid and “with” Covid. All the data surrounding Covid is trash. Garbage in, garbage out. It’s gonna take a while before cooler, non politically motivated people can get an accurate figure.
  - acgourley 4y ago
    This analysis has been done several times. To the best of my knowledge, even the covid policy contrarians don't see a a problem with its obvious conclusions. Here, let me google that for you: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
    - katkatkatkatket 4y ago
      The results on the "Weekly Number of Deaths by Age" dashboard are pretty clear - Covid had little impact on the death rates in the under-44 group. This is not surprising, as every country that records this data shows the same result. I'm not sure of the situation in the US, but here in the UK all of the data dashboards and death stats indicate "deaths with Covid". This is simply how they were recorded, nothing more nothing less - if you tested positive for Covid within 30 days of dying, you were a "death with Covid".
    - katkatkatkatket 4y ago
      Here's the UK Covid data dashboard. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ "Deaths within 28 days of positive test in England" is in huge bold letters.
    - katkatkatkatket 4y ago
      The results on the "Weekly Number of Deaths by Age" dashboard are pretty clear - Covid had little impact on the death rates in the under-44 group. This is not surprising, as every country that records this data shows the same result. (Separate replies, as I included both statements in a reply that then got flagged. Curious which one is offensive!)
  - claytongulick 4y ago
    Sorry you were downvoted for your comment, I agree with it and will toss my hat into the ring of downvotes. I spent countless hours doing data analysis on covid numbers, going to primary sources (as much as was possible). The data is horrible. From bad "covid id" methodology, to indeterminate and vague cause of death reporting methodology on death certificates, to mixed state and county level reporting mechanisms and weird sudden and inexplicable "boosts" in CDC all cause mortality in December, I'm completely at a loss for doing any meaningful analysis of covid data. Until the CDC releases anonymized source data, we won't be able to perform analysis that doesn't look like confirmation bias.
- adventured 4y ago
  - lazide 4y ago
    So it being clearly attributable to the largest spike in total mortality/deaths since the Spanish Flu is total coincidence? What are you smoking?
    - epistasis 4y ago
      Politics is a hell of a drug.
    - doktorhladnjak 4y ago
      You're right. If anything, the excess death numbers show an even worse impact than the number of COVID deaths counted.
  - andrekandre 4y ago
    > The US being the backwards country that it is, provided incentives to numerous layers in the healthcare system to lie about the Covid figures, to pump them up to get funding, so that's exactly what they did. and the evidence for that is...?
  - Isamu 4y ago
    Sources for that contention? On my mother’s death certificate there was a space for the proximate cause of death, and following that there some cascading “due to” lines to be optionally filled in. There’s no “with” area. It’s not free form. Her death was something like acute hypoxia (it was more jargony) and the next line was “Due To” and they filled in a sort of pneumonia, then the next line was “Due To” and they wrote Covid or something similar. Again there’s no spaces for anything extra not relevant to the cause of death. When they count death due to Covid, It’s because it was mentioned on the death certificate as leading to the cause of death.
  - Eldt 4y ago

US population is 335M, 1.02M people have died from COVID. Even if 100% of people got COVID, that would be 99.7% survival rate. But we have lots of vaccination, which huuuuugely reduced the death rate, so a far more realistic death rate would be 0.6%-1%. And of course any of the early estimates were exactly in that range. Anybody who has been advocating lower rates are all charlatans. At least every claim I have traced.

spookthesunset 4y ago
Now break that down by age. And for bonus points tell me which people died “from” Covid and “with” Covid. All the data surrounding Covid is trash. Garbage in, garbage out. It’s gonna take a while before cooler, non politically motivated people can get an accurate figure.
- acgourley 4y ago
  This analysis has been done several times. To the best of my knowledge, even the covid policy contrarians don't see a a problem with its obvious conclusions. Here, let me google that for you: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
  - katkatkatkatket 4y ago
    The results on the "Weekly Number of Deaths by Age" dashboard are pretty clear - Covid had little impact on the death rates in the under-44 group. This is not surprising, as every country that records this data shows the same result. I'm not sure of the situation in the US, but here in the UK all of the data dashboards and death stats indicate "deaths with Covid". This is simply how they were recorded, nothing more nothing less - if you tested positive for Covid within 30 days of dying, you were a "death with Covid".
  - katkatkatkatket 4y ago
    Here's the UK Covid data dashboard. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ "Deaths within 28 days of positive test in England" is in huge bold letters.
  - katkatkatkatket 4y ago
    The results on the "Weekly Number of Deaths by Age" dashboard are pretty clear - Covid had little impact on the death rates in the under-44 group. This is not surprising, as every country that records this data shows the same result. (Separate replies, as I included both statements in a reply that then got flagged. Curious which one is offensive!)
- claytongulick 4y ago
  Sorry you were downvoted for your comment, I agree with it and will toss my hat into the ring of downvotes. I spent countless hours doing data analysis on covid numbers, going to primary sources (as much as was possible). The data is horrible. From bad "covid id" methodology, to indeterminate and vague cause of death reporting methodology on death certificates, to mixed state and county level reporting mechanisms and weird sudden and inexplicable "boosts" in CDC all cause mortality in December, I'm completely at a loss for doing any meaningful analysis of covid data. Until the CDC releases anonymized source data, we won't be able to perform analysis that doesn't look like confirmation bias.
adventured 4y ago
- lazide 4y ago
  So it being clearly attributable to the largest spike in total mortality/deaths since the Spanish Flu is total coincidence? What are you smoking?
  - epistasis 4y ago
    Politics is a hell of a drug.
  - doktorhladnjak 4y ago
    You're right. If anything, the excess death numbers show an even worse impact than the number of COVID deaths counted.
- andrekandre 4y ago
  > The US being the backwards country that it is, provided incentives to numerous layers in the healthcare system to lie about the Covid figures, to pump them up to get funding, so that's exactly what they did. and the evidence for that is...?
- Isamu 4y ago
  Sources for that contention? On my mother’s death certificate there was a space for the proximate cause of death, and following that there some cascading “due to” lines to be optionally filled in. There’s no “with” area. It’s not free form. Her death was something like acute hypoxia (it was more jargony) and the next line was “Due To” and they filled in a sort of pneumonia, then the next line was “Due To” and they wrote Covid or something similar. Again there’s no spaces for anything extra not relevant to the cause of death. When they count death due to Covid, It’s because it was mentioned on the death certificate as leading to the cause of death.
- Eldt 4y ago