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Why?

by HatchedLake721 4y ago

Why?

FrenchDevRemote 4y ago
China owns them. Doesn't mean everything they say is bullshit, but they can't be really trusted anymore.
- curiousgal 4y ago
  As opposed to every other organization owned by the U.S. oh please.
  - FredPret 4y ago
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    I believe this is what the kids are calling the 'Bothsidesism' Fallacy. Or is this meant to only be said in domestic political contexts?
    - curiousgal 4y ago
      Is there a fallacy for throwing that fallacy around all the time?
      - effingwewt 4y ago
        Sure we can call it the 'curiousgal Fallacy'. Let me explain my downvote here. You are not wrong, and as an american it is infuriating to see what our country has become. But that makes his original point no less valid. China silenced the WHO and the WHO literally pretended their internet went out when asked about Taiwan. Both sides having done something fucked up doesn't negate what's going on in this situation, thus the 'both sides-ism' If it did all arguments would be over instantly, as only babies are innocent. There are degrees of fucked up and context matters.
- freeflight 4y ago
  I guess the WHO must be "owned" by a lot of countries [0] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/oct/13/world-health-organisation-iraq-war-depleted-uranium https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/o...
l1n 4y ago
Straight lines on log-log plots.
tjpnz 4y ago
The exclusion of Taiwan and the behaviour of their representatives during interviews whenever the subject came up.
- waffleiron 4y ago
  The WHO is an agency of the UN, of which Taiwan is not an independent member.
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    That shouldn’t matter. It’s the World Health Organisation. Not the UN Membership Health Organisation. The only reason Taiwan is not a member is because of China being a bully.
calibas 4y ago
At the very beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, when people were starting to get concerned about this strange new disease in China, the WHO announced there was "no evidence of human-to-human transmission" and no need to restrict international travel to Wuhan. In reality, there was nothing but evidence of human-to-human transmission and plenty of Chinese doctors knew this, but the WHO repeated the Chinese government's lies. Instead of trying to contain the pandemic in it's earliest stages, the WHO told the world there was nothing to worry about. They screwed up about as bad as they possibly could, and helped enable the spread of a disease.
- whimsicalism 4y ago
  The US had more than enough time to control covid by when China confirmed human-to-human spread.
  - calibas 4y ago
    The WHO made a huge mistake, it was already spreading internationally, and yet somehow you found a way to shift blame to the US...
    - whimsicalism 4y ago
      Human to human spread was confirmed before any international case was found. I traveled from China to US in January 2020 well after China had reported the virus as transmissible and the US was not doing jack shit to screen.
      - makomk 4y ago
        There was literally nothing the US could've done that would've lead to Covid being comtrolled. Their efforts to stop it spreading there from China seem to have more or less worked, and were at least effective enough that they weren't the problem - the US had contact tracing that suggested it wasn't really spreading, and genetic testing also indicated this wasn't the source of the major US outbreaks. What turned this into a global pandemic was undetected, large-scale community spread in Europe, in places like Italy - all the subsequent major outbreaks seem to have come from there except maybe for South Korea's. Those coutries listened to the WHO and followed their advice. This just got obscured because the American media is a bunch of partisan trash with unfortunate global influence that saw the pandemic as a good way to replace a leader they dislike. So everything got distorted and spun based on that angle, and it did immense damage to people's understanding of the pandemic. American potlics seems to have a bit of a main protagonist problem at the best of times too.

Why?

FrenchDevRemote 4y ago

China owns them. Doesn't mean everything they say is bullshit, but they can't be really trusted anymore.

curiousgal 4y ago
As opposed to every other organization owned by the U.S. oh please.
- FredPret 4y ago
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  I believe this is what the kids are calling the 'Bothsidesism' Fallacy. Or is this meant to only be said in domestic political contexts?
  - curiousgal 4y ago
    Is there a fallacy for throwing that fallacy around all the time?
    - effingwewt 4y ago
      Sure we can call it the 'curiousgal Fallacy'. Let me explain my downvote here. You are not wrong, and as an american it is infuriating to see what our country has become. But that makes his original point no less valid. China silenced the WHO and the WHO literally pretended their internet went out when asked about Taiwan. Both sides having done something fucked up doesn't negate what's going on in this situation, thus the 'both sides-ism' If it did all arguments would be over instantly, as only babies are innocent. There are degrees of fucked up and context matters.
freeflight 4y ago
I guess the WHO must be "owned" by a lot of countries [0] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/oct/13/world-health-organisation-iraq-war-depleted-uranium https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/o...

l1n 4y ago

Straight lines on log-log plots.

tjpnz 4y ago

The exclusion of Taiwan and the behaviour of their representatives during interviews whenever the subject came up.

waffleiron 4y ago
The WHO is an agency of the UN, of which Taiwan is not an independent member.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  That shouldn’t matter. It’s the World Health Organisation. Not the UN Membership Health Organisation. The only reason Taiwan is not a member is because of China being a bully.

calibas 4y ago

At the very beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, when people were starting to get concerned about this strange new disease in China, the WHO announced there was "no evidence of human-to-human transmission" and no need to restrict international travel to Wuhan. In reality, there was nothing but evidence of human-to-human transmission and plenty of Chinese doctors knew this, but the WHO repeated the Chinese government's lies. Instead of trying to contain the pandemic in it's earliest stages, the WHO told the world there was nothing to worry about. They screwed up about as bad as they possibly could, and helped enable the spread of a disease.

whimsicalism 4y ago
The US had more than enough time to control covid by when China confirmed human-to-human spread.
- calibas 4y ago
  The WHO made a huge mistake, it was already spreading internationally, and yet somehow you found a way to shift blame to the US...
  - whimsicalism 4y ago
    Human to human spread was confirmed before any international case was found. I traveled from China to US in January 2020 well after China had reported the virus as transmissible and the US was not doing jack shit to screen.
    - makomk 4y ago
      There was literally nothing the US could've done that would've lead to Covid being comtrolled. Their efforts to stop it spreading there from China seem to have more or less worked, and were at least effective enough that they weren't the problem - the US had contact tracing that suggested it wasn't really spreading, and genetic testing also indicated this wasn't the source of the major US outbreaks. What turned this into a global pandemic was undetected, large-scale community spread in Europe, in places like Italy - all the subsequent major outbreaks seem to have come from there except maybe for South Korea's. Those coutries listened to the WHO and followed their advice. This just got obscured because the American media is a bunch of partisan trash with unfortunate global influence that saw the pandemic as a good way to replace a leader they dislike. So everything got distorted and spun based on that angle, and it did immense damage to people's understanding of the pandemic. American potlics seems to have a bit of a main protagonist problem at the best of times too.