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Comité Liquidant Ou Détournant Les Ordinateurs (C.L.O.D.O.) (1983)

46 points by 317070 4y ago

lumberjack24 4y ago
These folks must be retired by now and they have lived enough to find out they lost their crusade against computers.
- csdvrx 4y ago
  Good! The last thing we need with supply chain issues is actual luddites destroying infrastructure.
libcg 4y ago
Clodo = tramp
- zahma 4y ago
  More like slang for homeless or a bum.
katkatkatkatket 4y ago
Where do I sign up?
- deleted 4y ago
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ornornor 4y ago
> Computer tools are undoubtedly perverted at their very origin (the abuse of the quantitative and the reduction to the binary are proof of this) but they could be used for other ends than the ones they now serve. When we recognize that the most computerized sector is the army, and that 94% of civilian computer-time is used for management and accounting, we don’t feel like the loom-breakers of the 19th century (even though they fought against dehumanization in their jobs). Nor are we defenders of the computer-created unemployed... if microprocessors create unemployment, instead of reducing everyone’s working-time, it’s because we live in a brutal society, and this is by no means a reason to destroy microprocessors. They’re no entirely wrong either, and 40 years later I can’t say we’re thaaaat far off from what they describe here. Of course they couldn’t imagine how computers are used for constant surveillance (or advertising as we like to call it), but still not that far off.
- googlryas 4y ago
  > abuse of the quantitative and the reduction to the binary are proof of this I'd love to hear more about this, because it seems like they're just lacking in imagination. And it seems they were attacking the tools instead of society itself, and it was bound to fail(which it did). It's like breaking a knight's sword in the middle ages, and thinking the knight will just go home and go to sleep without his sword. No, he'll just find some other way to kill you. Or repair his sword so it is even stronger than before. I also extremely doubt the efficacy of their "timebombs"
- quadcore 4y ago
  Of course they couldn’t imagine how computers are used for constant surveillance surveillance by means of badges and cards Not that far off indeed
einpoklum 4y ago
As a service to my fellow readers, some relevant (IMHO) historical context... > Grenada A small island country in the west indies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenada#/media/File:Grenada_on_the_globe_(Americas_centered).svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenada#/media/File:Grenada_on... > Reagan attacks Grenada So, in a nutshell Reagen claimed US citizens were threatened by evil Marxists... and proceeded to invade and overthrow the government. The real reasons are up for speculation, but this was definitely part of the Cold War against the USSR. The invasion occurred in 1983, when the CLODO crew was interviewed. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/united-states-invades-grenada https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/united-states-in... Grenada had been a colony fought over by Britain/the UK and France; both members of NATO alongside the US (as was the case in 1983). Many Europeans - then and now - feel their countries foreign policy has been more-or-less hijacked by the US since 1945, in particular for a cold war against the USSR, and in suppressing independence movements in former colonies, when they did not lean towards accepting US hegemony.
frozencell 4y ago
> The truth about computerization should be revealed from time to time. It should be said that a computer is just a bunch of metal that severs only to do what one wants it to do, that in our world it’s just one more tool, a particularly powerful one, that’s at the service of the dominators. The dominators, do we care more about who are they or why are they?

46 points by 317070 4y ago

lumberjack24 4y ago

These folks must be retired by now and they have lived enough to find out they lost their crusade against computers.

csdvrx 4y ago
Good! The last thing we need with supply chain issues is actual luddites destroying infrastructure.

libcg 4y ago

Clodo = tramp

zahma 4y ago
More like slang for homeless or a bum.

katkatkatkatket 4y ago

Where do I sign up?

deleted 4y ago
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ornornor 4y ago

> Computer tools are undoubtedly perverted at their very origin (the abuse of the quantitative and the reduction to the binary are proof of this) but they could be used for other ends than the ones they now serve. When we recognize that the most computerized sector is the army, and that 94% of civilian computer-time is used for management and accounting, we don’t feel like the loom-breakers of the 19th century (even though they fought against dehumanization in their jobs). Nor are we defenders of the computer-created unemployed... if microprocessors create unemployment, instead of reducing everyone’s working-time, it’s because we live in a brutal society, and this is by no means a reason to destroy microprocessors. They’re no entirely wrong either, and 40 years later I can’t say we’re thaaaat far off from what they describe here. Of course they couldn’t imagine how computers are used for constant surveillance (or advertising as we like to call it), but still not that far off.

googlryas 4y ago
> abuse of the quantitative and the reduction to the binary are proof of this I'd love to hear more about this, because it seems like they're just lacking in imagination. And it seems they were attacking the tools instead of society itself, and it was bound to fail(which it did). It's like breaking a knight's sword in the middle ages, and thinking the knight will just go home and go to sleep without his sword. No, he'll just find some other way to kill you. Or repair his sword so it is even stronger than before. I also extremely doubt the efficacy of their "timebombs"
quadcore 4y ago
Of course they couldn’t imagine how computers are used for constant surveillance surveillance by means of badges and cards Not that far off indeed

einpoklum 4y ago

As a service to my fellow readers, some relevant (IMHO) historical context... > Grenada A small island country in the west indies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenada#/media/File:Grenada_on_the_globe_(Americas_centered).svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenada#/media/File:Grenada_on... > Reagan attacks Grenada So, in a nutshell Reagen claimed US citizens were threatened by evil Marxists... and proceeded to invade and overthrow the government. The real reasons are up for speculation, but this was definitely part of the Cold War against the USSR. The invasion occurred in 1983, when the CLODO crew was interviewed. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/united-states-invades-grenada https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/united-states-in... Grenada had been a colony fought over by Britain/the UK and France; both members of NATO alongside the US (as was the case in 1983). Many Europeans - then and now - feel their countries foreign policy has been more-or-less hijacked by the US since 1945, in particular for a cold war against the USSR, and in suppressing independence movements in former colonies, when they did not lean towards accepting US hegemony.

frozencell 4y ago

> The truth about computerization should be revealed from time to time. It should be said that a computer is just a bunch of metal that severs only to do what one wants it to do, that in our world it’s just one more tool, a particularly powerful one, that’s at the service of the dominators. The dominators, do we care more about who are they or why are they?