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OP is referring to a place like Chicago that has some of the strictest gun bans, is lambasted by conservative media, "look, gun bans but still high shootings,"

OP is referring to a place like Chicago that has some of the strictest gun bans, is lambasted by conservative media, "look, gun bans but still high shootings," but generally fail to realize that Chicago is surrounded by areas with the loosest gun restrictions like next door Indiana. The guns just come right across state borders 5 miles away.

nradov 4y ago
Guns are not banned in Chicago. There do have tighter restrictions than surrounding areas (and some of those restrictions may be unconstitutional), but many Chicagoans legally own guns. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-chicago-gun-laws-306468736022 https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-chicago-gun-laws-30646...
- pessimizer 4y ago
  They were for a very long time, but right-wing rhetoric takes decades to be updated. Most of it is recycled Ezra Pound/Eustace Mullins/John Birch shit.
- throwaway_4ever 4y ago
  Is there a meaningful difference between ban and restriction? It seems pedantic. But maybe wrt specifically gun law there is a difference? I never implied all guns were banned in Chicago. "some of the strictest"
  - yonaguska 4y ago
    Yes, a ban would mean you'd be a criminal by mere possession, while restrictions means you have to jump through lots of hoops in order to not be a criminal. You can legally conceal carry a gun in Chicago. And based on my conversations with several members of law enforcement as well as a few notable cases of self defense, you probably won't be charged if you have a strong self defense case, even if you happen to be unintentionally breaking a law. Such as the woman that shot a man trying to rob/rape her while she was waiting for the bus. She would have been carrying illegally by virtue of using public transit, but no charges were pressed.
fein 4y ago
And yet those states with lax gun regulations have nothing even close to the level of gun crime in the Chicago area. If it was availability of guns that was the catalyst for this behavior, one would expect to see similar patterns elsewhere.
- namdnay 4y ago
  I think that’s the point of the poster above? That the ready availability of guns around Chicago is a factor in the gun violence within the city
- mcguire 4y ago
  Chicago has a firearm homicide rate of 29 per 100,000 (https://oneaimil.org/the-issue/impact-of-gun-violence/ https://oneaimil.org/the-issue/impact-of-gun-violence/). Illinois overall has a "firearm injury death rate" of 14.1 per 100,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/illinois/il.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/illinois/il.htm). Indiana overall has a firearm injury death rate of 17.3 per 100,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/indiana/in.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/indiana/in.htm). Mississippi (28.6), Louisiana, Wyoming, Missouri, Alabama and Alaska all have rates above 23 per 100,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/...). "Phillips County, Arkansas, with only 22,000 residents, had the nation’s highest homicide rate. Meanwhile, Cook County, Illinois (Chicago), which often captures the media’s attention around violence, had the 79th highest gun homicide rate." (https://publichealth.jhu.edu/sites/default/files/2022-05/2020-gun-deaths-in-the-us-4-28-2022-b.pdf https://publichealth.jhu.edu/sites/default/files/2022-05/202...)
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  Gary, the city in Indiana right next to Chicago, is a top contender for murder capital of the US year after year. Chicago never reaches the podium. https://madison.com/news/national/the-30-cities-with-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-us/collection_33b57fa7-d832-502d-ad55-aa29609b9a57.html https://madison.com/news/national/the-30-cities-with-the-hig...

nradov 4y ago

Guns are not banned in Chicago. There do have tighter restrictions than surrounding areas (and some of those restrictions may be unconstitutional), but many Chicagoans legally own guns. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-chicago-gun-laws-306468736022 https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-chicago-gun-laws-30646...

pessimizer 4y ago
They were for a very long time, but right-wing rhetoric takes decades to be updated. Most of it is recycled Ezra Pound/Eustace Mullins/John Birch shit.
throwaway_4ever 4y ago
Is there a meaningful difference between ban and restriction? It seems pedantic. But maybe wrt specifically gun law there is a difference? I never implied all guns were banned in Chicago. "some of the strictest"
- yonaguska 4y ago
  Yes, a ban would mean you'd be a criminal by mere possession, while restrictions means you have to jump through lots of hoops in order to not be a criminal. You can legally conceal carry a gun in Chicago. And based on my conversations with several members of law enforcement as well as a few notable cases of self defense, you probably won't be charged if you have a strong self defense case, even if you happen to be unintentionally breaking a law. Such as the woman that shot a man trying to rob/rape her while she was waiting for the bus. She would have been carrying illegally by virtue of using public transit, but no charges were pressed.

fein 4y ago

And yet those states with lax gun regulations have nothing even close to the level of gun crime in the Chicago area. If it was availability of guns that was the catalyst for this behavior, one would expect to see similar patterns elsewhere.

namdnay 4y ago
I think that’s the point of the poster above? That the ready availability of guns around Chicago is a factor in the gun violence within the city
mcguire 4y ago
Chicago has a firearm homicide rate of 29 per 100,000 (https://oneaimil.org/the-issue/impact-of-gun-violence/ https://oneaimil.org/the-issue/impact-of-gun-violence/). Illinois overall has a "firearm injury death rate" of 14.1 per 100,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/illinois/il.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/illinois/il.htm). Indiana overall has a firearm injury death rate of 17.3 per 100,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/indiana/in.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/indiana/in.htm). Mississippi (28.6), Louisiana, Wyoming, Missouri, Alabama and Alaska all have rates above 23 per 100,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/...). "Phillips County, Arkansas, with only 22,000 residents, had the nation’s highest homicide rate. Meanwhile, Cook County, Illinois (Chicago), which often captures the media’s attention around violence, had the 79th highest gun homicide rate." (https://publichealth.jhu.edu/sites/default/files/2022-05/2020-gun-deaths-in-the-us-4-28-2022-b.pdf https://publichealth.jhu.edu/sites/default/files/2022-05/202...)
lern_too_spel 4y ago
Gary, the city in Indiana right next to Chicago, is a top contender for murder capital of the US year after year. Chicago never reaches the podium. https://madison.com/news/national/the-30-cities-with-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-us/collection_33b57fa7-d832-502d-ad55-aa29609b9a57.html https://madison.com/news/national/the-30-cities-with-the-hig...