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Wow, the author really went out of their way to avoid saying why this is happening repeatedly in Rockland County. > The Orthodox Jewish community, the largest

Wow, the author really went out of their way to avoid saying why this is happening repeatedly in Rockland County. > The Orthodox Jewish community, the largest in the country, have some of the lowest vaccination rates in the state; Monsey's is the lowest in the state, at 17.8%, as of June 15, 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockland_County,_New_York#Health https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockland_County,_New_York#Heal...

Frost1x 4y ago
Whats the vaccination rate for polio outside of this area? I suspect it's quite low, it's not in the standard vaccine series for most in the US to my knowledge due to low risk now. Outside of some older people and immigrants, I think many aren't vaccinated for polio.
- bluedevil2k 4y ago
  All my kids got the vaccine and I even got a booster before I went to Israel.
- kenny11 4y ago
  The inactivated virus variant of the polio vaccine is still in the standard childhood immunization schedule in the US: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolesc...
- LodeOfCode 4y ago
  92.6% of children by age 24 months https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm
- rco8786 4y ago
  > it's not in the standard vaccine series for most in the US It absolutely is. It's low risk because everyone is vaccinated.
- henryfjordan 4y ago
  You might be thinking of the smallpox vaccine.
  - jefftk 4y ago
    Or the oral (active) polio vaccine?
  - Frost1x 4y ago
    Bingo, whoops. Not sure why I mixed up polio and smallpox but you nailed it.
    - henryfjordan 4y ago
      When I saw the article I thought exactly the same thing. I had to check the Kaiser app, but apparently I have had 4 polio shots as a child. I don't have the smallpox vaccine though. I know my mom has a big scar on the inside of her arm from that one, so I am pretty sure they've phased that one out.
- evanmoran 4y ago
  I just confirmed both my kids have the polio vaccines from the standard set given to kids. The polio vaccine is called IPV (inactivated poliovirus) and usually comes in a bundle branded as PENTACEL which is “a 5-in-1 combination vaccine that protects against diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, polio, and Haemophilus influenzae type B”.
- NoNotTheDuo 4y ago
  It's in the standard schedule for kids: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolesc... They get 3 doses before they turn 15 months old, in fact.
ars 4y ago
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- rjbwork 4y ago
  How is it disgusting? Because they mentioned Jews? Because they mentioned they have low vaccination rates?
- hasty 4y ago
  The cited article on WP ( https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/ultra-orthodox-zip-codes-have-some-of-new-yorks-worst-vaccination-rates-671058 https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/ultra-orthodox-zip-codes-have... ) notes that measles vaccination rates were around 70%, vs 99% for the rest of the state. Given the vaccine schedule, it's pretty likely that if you're a kid not vaccinated for measles, you're not vaccinated for polio either.
- rco8786 4y ago
  This neighborhood was notorious for its measles outbreaks before covid also. It's not disgusting, it's just very obviously a concentrated group of people that generally refuse vaccinations.
- nkozyra 4y ago
  It is a relatively common stance in the ultra-orthodox community and it was not unusual for me to see families bringing their kids to playgrounds in Brooklyn with active measles infections.
  - hunterb123 4y ago
- khazhoux 4y ago
  > Jews do not travel to countries where VDPV2 is used I would be interested to learn more about this statement.
  - ars 4y ago
makomk 4y ago
That's probably less of a smoking gun than it seems like. This case was only discovered because someone actually suffered from paralysis, which is somewhat uncommon even in the unvaccinated and extremely uncommon amongst the vaccinated. The thing is, although it gives very strong protection against paralysis and death the inactivated vaccine used in countries like the US probably isn't all that effective at preventing people catching and spreading polio - all of the polio elimination efforts globally have used the oral polio vaccine which contains live virus for this reason. It's not used in the developed world because the serious side effect rate is hard to justify in a country where polio no longer exists.
- Enginerrrd 4y ago
  I'm in the US and I had an oral polio vaccine.
  - makomk 4y ago
    Okay, I should probably have been a bit clearer about that. Polio eradication efforts everywhere in the world, including the US, were based around the oral polio vaccine due to its apparent benefits in stopping vaccinated people from spreading polio. This was discontinued in the developed world, including the USA, a couple of decades ago (edit: and replaced with the inactivated polio vaccine - I though this was clear enough from the context...) after polio was eliminated there and the risk of spread from other countries was considered low enough. Entire age groups have never been vaccinated using the OPV. And of course it doesn't matter how well protected the population as a whole is if there's a subcommunity of people who regularly interact with each other who aren;t...
    - threatofrain 4y ago
      > This was discontinued in the developed world, including the USA, a couple of decades ago after polio was eliminated there and the risk of spread from other countries was considered low enough. Where are you getting this information from? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm
lelandfe 4y ago
I lived in a Brooklyn neighborhood densely populated by Hasidim for years and this is unfortunately not the first time something like this has happened.[0] The highly insular community means misinformation is hard to combat. This quote is pertinent: > ”Being a religious Jew, you also get used to having a minority viewpoint,” said Alexander Rapaport, the CEO of the Masbia Soup Kitchen Network in Brooklyn, and a public face of the Hasidic community. “So if something is not mainstream, it doesn’t take you away from believing it.” [0] https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/11/9/18068036/measles-new-york-orthodox-jewish-community-vaccines https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/11/9/18068036/me...
- hunterb123 4y ago
  - atwood22 4y ago
    Because the orthodox Jewish community is a constant source of outbreaks in the area. In 2019, there was a measles outbreak, in 2020, a number of COVID outbreaks, and now polio. No one is claiming that this community is the only to have a disease outbreak, but if there is an outbreak of a preventable disease in Rockland County, then it's most likely coming from Monsey.
    - hunterb123 4y ago
      - natabHobowitz 4y ago
      - natabHobowitz2 4y ago
      - oneoff786 4y ago
        You’re the only one saying anything about taking action, so no, nobody’s interested in your shitty bait. Here’s one study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23113481/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23113481/ > From June 28, 2009, through June 27, 2010, a total of 3502 outbreak-related cases of mumps were reported in New York City, two upstate New York counties, and one New Jersey county. Of the 1648 cases for which clinical specimens were available, 50% were laboratory-confirmed. Orthodox Jewish persons accounted for 97% of case patients.
MomoXenosaga 4y ago
Even in my country, where we generally despise religious conservatives, orthodox Jewish community is rarely criticized. I understand the historical reasons of course but it is not helpful. All must be uplifted from darkness.

Frost1x 4y ago

Whats the vaccination rate for polio outside of this area? I suspect it's quite low, it's not in the standard vaccine series for most in the US to my knowledge due to low risk now. Outside of some older people and immigrants, I think many aren't vaccinated for polio.

bluedevil2k 4y ago
All my kids got the vaccine and I even got a booster before I went to Israel.
kenny11 4y ago
The inactivated virus variant of the polio vaccine is still in the standard childhood immunization schedule in the US: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolesc...
LodeOfCode 4y ago
92.6% of children by age 24 months https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm
rco8786 4y ago
> it's not in the standard vaccine series for most in the US It absolutely is. It's low risk because everyone is vaccinated.
henryfjordan 4y ago
You might be thinking of the smallpox vaccine.
- jefftk 4y ago
  Or the oral (active) polio vaccine?
- Frost1x 4y ago
  Bingo, whoops. Not sure why I mixed up polio and smallpox but you nailed it.
  - henryfjordan 4y ago
    When I saw the article I thought exactly the same thing. I had to check the Kaiser app, but apparently I have had 4 polio shots as a child. I don't have the smallpox vaccine though. I know my mom has a big scar on the inside of her arm from that one, so I am pretty sure they've phased that one out.
evanmoran 4y ago
I just confirmed both my kids have the polio vaccines from the standard set given to kids. The polio vaccine is called IPV (inactivated poliovirus) and usually comes in a bundle branded as PENTACEL which is “a 5-in-1 combination vaccine that protects against diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, polio, and Haemophilus influenzae type B”.
NoNotTheDuo 4y ago
It's in the standard schedule for kids: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolesc... They get 3 doses before they turn 15 months old, in fact.

ars 4y ago

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rjbwork 4y ago
How is it disgusting? Because they mentioned Jews? Because they mentioned they have low vaccination rates?
hasty 4y ago
The cited article on WP ( https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/ultra-orthodox-zip-codes-have-some-of-new-yorks-worst-vaccination-rates-671058 https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/ultra-orthodox-zip-codes-have... ) notes that measles vaccination rates were around 70%, vs 99% for the rest of the state. Given the vaccine schedule, it's pretty likely that if you're a kid not vaccinated for measles, you're not vaccinated for polio either.
rco8786 4y ago
This neighborhood was notorious for its measles outbreaks before covid also. It's not disgusting, it's just very obviously a concentrated group of people that generally refuse vaccinations.
nkozyra 4y ago
It is a relatively common stance in the ultra-orthodox community and it was not unusual for me to see families bringing their kids to playgrounds in Brooklyn with active measles infections.
- hunterb123 4y ago
khazhoux 4y ago
> Jews do not travel to countries where VDPV2 is used I would be interested to learn more about this statement.
- ars 4y ago

makomk 4y ago

That's probably less of a smoking gun than it seems like. This case was only discovered because someone actually suffered from paralysis, which is somewhat uncommon even in the unvaccinated and extremely uncommon amongst the vaccinated. The thing is, although it gives very strong protection against paralysis and death the inactivated vaccine used in countries like the US probably isn't all that effective at preventing people catching and spreading polio - all of the polio elimination efforts globally have used the oral polio vaccine which contains live virus for this reason. It's not used in the developed world because the serious side effect rate is hard to justify in a country where polio no longer exists.

Enginerrrd 4y ago
I'm in the US and I had an oral polio vaccine.
- makomk 4y ago
  Okay, I should probably have been a bit clearer about that. Polio eradication efforts everywhere in the world, including the US, were based around the oral polio vaccine due to its apparent benefits in stopping vaccinated people from spreading polio. This was discontinued in the developed world, including the USA, a couple of decades ago (edit: and replaced with the inactivated polio vaccine - I though this was clear enough from the context...) after polio was eliminated there and the risk of spread from other countries was considered low enough. Entire age groups have never been vaccinated using the OPV. And of course it doesn't matter how well protected the population as a whole is if there's a subcommunity of people who regularly interact with each other who aren;t...
  - threatofrain 4y ago
    > This was discontinued in the developed world, including the USA, a couple of decades ago after polio was eliminated there and the risk of spread from other countries was considered low enough. Where are you getting this information from? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm

lelandfe 4y ago

I lived in a Brooklyn neighborhood densely populated by Hasidim for years and this is unfortunately not the first time something like this has happened.[0] The highly insular community means misinformation is hard to combat. This quote is pertinent: > ”Being a religious Jew, you also get used to having a minority viewpoint,” said Alexander Rapaport, the CEO of the Masbia Soup Kitchen Network in Brooklyn, and a public face of the Hasidic community. “So if something is not mainstream, it doesn’t take you away from believing it.” [0] https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/11/9/18068036/measles-new-york-orthodox-jewish-community-vaccines https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/11/9/18068036/me...

hunterb123 4y ago
- atwood22 4y ago
  Because the orthodox Jewish community is a constant source of outbreaks in the area. In 2019, there was a measles outbreak, in 2020, a number of COVID outbreaks, and now polio. No one is claiming that this community is the only to have a disease outbreak, but if there is an outbreak of a preventable disease in Rockland County, then it's most likely coming from Monsey.
  - hunterb123 4y ago
    - natabHobowitz 4y ago
    - natabHobowitz2 4y ago
    - oneoff786 4y ago
      You’re the only one saying anything about taking action, so no, nobody’s interested in your shitty bait. Here’s one study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23113481/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23113481/ > From June 28, 2009, through June 27, 2010, a total of 3502 outbreak-related cases of mumps were reported in New York City, two upstate New York counties, and one New Jersey county. Of the 1648 cases for which clinical specimens were available, 50% were laboratory-confirmed. Orthodox Jewish persons accounted for 97% of case patients.

MomoXenosaga 4y ago

Even in my country, where we generally despise religious conservatives, orthodox Jewish community is rarely criticized. I understand the historical reasons of course but it is not helpful. All must be uplifted from darkness.