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> "we shouldn't give 11 year olds puberty blockers, wait until they are 18 to choose" the puberty blocker exists solely to give them the time to choose, it's n

by paulmd 4y ago

> "we shouldn't give 11 year olds puberty blockers, wait until they are 18 to choose" the puberty blocker exists solely to give them the time to choose, it's not the same thing as transitioning itself. Denying puberty blockers is letting nature force the choice. Along with your suggestion that "3 year olds are being given genital surgery" as another commenter highlighted - like it or not you are repeating bigoted conservative talking points here and I think what you are seeing is not "I have to walk on eggshells to avoid upsetting people" but people's valid and legitimate negative reactions to bigoted opinions that you are espousing. For the record, just because OAN is even more reactionary than you, doesn't make the things you're saying centrist, they're still reactionary and bigoted.

manicdee 4y ago
GP is not expressing those views personally but narrating views held by people who believe they need to walk on eggshells all the time lest they get in trouble with the “woke police.”
349ecb77cd62 4y ago
> 3 year olds are being given genital surgery This is not my suggestion, I am saying that this is what the right think what the left wants for everyone. I know this is not a thing that happens and is complete bullshit. > For the record, just because OAN is even more reactionary than you, doesn't make the things you're saying centrist, they're still reactionary and bigoted. Apologies if you misunderstood, I should have rephrased it, this is mostly what people complain about during off-corpnet casual team chats and whatnot re: eggshells. I don't think that they are/were reasonable opinions myself and I am fully aware that giving puberty blockers after puberty is rather pointless, for example. I am Indian but I speak English as a second language and it feels like a lot of older hyper-conservative coworkers are more at ease to openly discuss these things with someone they think is from the same background and in their language.
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OOD 4y ago
>the puberty blocker exists solely to give them the time to choose, it's not the same thing as transitioning itself. Denying puberty blockers is letting nature force the choice. Giving puberty blockers (steroids) to children cause irreversible developments (undersized genitalia, irreversible higher pitched voiced, etc. to males) and absolutely should not be given. Not allowing children to go through puberty is a crime against their humanity.
- cestith 4y ago
  Children go through puberty anywhere from 8 to 19. Generations ago, 16 to 18 was fairly common. Going through puberty late does not equal never going through puberty.
  - OOD 4y ago
    That's natural puberty according to their natural biology. Feeding them hormones to "pause" puberty is denying them their basic humanity to go through puberty naturally.
    - staticman2 4y ago
      No medical treatment is natural. You know what's natural? Infant mortality. Nature sucks. If you cared about these kids you would learn about why they want puberty blockers rather than suggesting we torture them by denying them medical treatment because of some concept of "natural".
      - OOD 4y ago
        >No medical treatment is natural. Wrong. Giving water to a dehydrated person is a natural medical treatment. Your entire premise is now disproven. >You know what's natural? Infant mortality. Nature sucks. You know what's natural? Children having identity crises and not being mentally developed enough to know the long term effects of their decisions. Nature sucks. >If you cared about these kids you would learn about why they want puberty blockers rather than suggesting we torture them by denying them medical treatment because of some concept of "natural". If you cared about these kids you would learn about why they want puberty blockers rather than suggesting we torture them by pumping them full of steroids to destroy their bodies and denying them their natural development because it's politically expedient. "Treating" "trans children" is a crime against humanity. Much the same way lobotomies, FGM, etc. are.
bliteben 4y ago
fyi /r/eve is an extension of the /r/conservative subreddit.
zthrowaway 4y ago
This is an insane worldview. I hope you’re around to see the mental health issues this will cause on children who had their natural development destroyed by pharmaceutical companies and dumb parents. There’s nothing bigoted about this, and you’re just using that language as a political weapon to demonize and guilt dissent.

by paulmd 4y ago

manicdee 4y ago

GP is not expressing those views personally but narrating views held by people who believe they need to walk on eggshells all the time lest they get in trouble with the “woke police.”

349ecb77cd62 4y ago

> 3 year olds are being given genital surgery This is not my suggestion, I am saying that this is what the right think what the left wants for everyone. I know this is not a thing that happens and is complete bullshit. > For the record, just because OAN is even more reactionary than you, doesn't make the things you're saying centrist, they're still reactionary and bigoted. Apologies if you misunderstood, I should have rephrased it, this is mostly what people complain about during off-corpnet casual team chats and whatnot re: eggshells. I don't think that they are/were reasonable opinions myself and I am fully aware that giving puberty blockers after puberty is rather pointless, for example. I am Indian but I speak English as a second language and it feels like a lot of older hyper-conservative coworkers are more at ease to openly discuss these things with someone they think is from the same background and in their language.

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OOD 4y ago

>the puberty blocker exists solely to give them the time to choose, it's not the same thing as transitioning itself. Denying puberty blockers is letting nature force the choice. Giving puberty blockers (steroids) to children cause irreversible developments (undersized genitalia, irreversible higher pitched voiced, etc. to males) and absolutely should not be given. Not allowing children to go through puberty is a crime against their humanity.

cestith 4y ago
Children go through puberty anywhere from 8 to 19. Generations ago, 16 to 18 was fairly common. Going through puberty late does not equal never going through puberty.
- OOD 4y ago
  That's natural puberty according to their natural biology. Feeding them hormones to "pause" puberty is denying them their basic humanity to go through puberty naturally.
  - staticman2 4y ago
    No medical treatment is natural. You know what's natural? Infant mortality. Nature sucks. If you cared about these kids you would learn about why they want puberty blockers rather than suggesting we torture them by denying them medical treatment because of some concept of "natural".
    - OOD 4y ago
      >No medical treatment is natural. Wrong. Giving water to a dehydrated person is a natural medical treatment. Your entire premise is now disproven. >You know what's natural? Infant mortality. Nature sucks. You know what's natural? Children having identity crises and not being mentally developed enough to know the long term effects of their decisions. Nature sucks. >If you cared about these kids you would learn about why they want puberty blockers rather than suggesting we torture them by denying them medical treatment because of some concept of "natural". If you cared about these kids you would learn about why they want puberty blockers rather than suggesting we torture them by pumping them full of steroids to destroy their bodies and denying them their natural development because it's politically expedient. "Treating" "trans children" is a crime against humanity. Much the same way lobotomies, FGM, etc. are.

bliteben 4y ago

fyi /r/eve is an extension of the /r/conservative subreddit.

zthrowaway 4y ago

This is an insane worldview. I hope you’re around to see the mental health issues this will cause on children who had their natural development destroyed by pharmaceutical companies and dumb parents. There’s nothing bigoted about this, and you’re just using that language as a political weapon to demonize and guilt dissent.