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The problem I think with all of these ML functions is that there is never enough of an in between full manual and full auto magic. The Nest could simply ask you

The problem I think with all of these ML functions is that there is never enough of an in between full manual and full auto magic. The Nest could simply ask you a few times a day how you feel about how its doing (too hot ? too cold? too expensive?) or you could opt in somewhere and to give feedback. And then it could keep doing its behind the scenes mumbo jumbo.

mjevans 4y ago
How I feel is at least psychosomatically related to how the system is operating, but also how things are outside of the controlled environment. Generally this is an algorithm that might work for one person: * Is it equal or higher than the upper temperature outside? Run COOLing function (if it exists) until the LOWER inside temperature bound is reached. * ELSE Is it equal or lower than the lower temperature outside? Run HEATing function (if it exists) until the UPPER inside temperature bound is reached. In both cases DO NOT continue to run the circulation fans, at least above a whisper quite slow circulation, past the thermal shift operation. Luke-warm airflow makes the system perceptibly anemic and the results dis-satisfactory.
wutbrodo 4y ago
This is more of a product problem than a technological one. I don't think the issue is lack of imagination, but hostility from consumers. There are a million and one cases where a pdocut could be 10x better with 10% more effort from me,and where that tradeoff is more than worth it (hell, it's why I use Linux). But the average consumer is aggressively turned off by having to do any "work", and the type of person hanging out on Hacker News is very high-percentile for wanting to put a nonzero amount of work into optimizing this type of thing.
- soco 4y ago
  I have already a solution where I can put zero amount of work for optimizing it, it's called a button. Why would I bother with something as needy as this "smart" thing?
  - wutbrodo 4y ago
    I don't understand your comment or how it's remotely relevant to the thread. Is this just a non sequitur Luddite rant about the very existence of new tech?
8note 4y ago
Surely each time I change the temperature manually that's a signal it's been wrong for the past half hour or so

mjevans 4y ago

How I feel is at least psychosomatically related to how the system is operating, but also how things are outside of the controlled environment. Generally this is an algorithm that might work for one person: * Is it equal or higher than the upper temperature outside? Run COOLing function (if it exists) until the LOWER inside temperature bound is reached. * ELSE Is it equal or lower than the lower temperature outside? Run HEATing function (if it exists) until the UPPER inside temperature bound is reached. In both cases DO NOT continue to run the circulation fans, at least above a whisper quite slow circulation, past the thermal shift operation. Luke-warm airflow makes the system perceptibly anemic and the results dis-satisfactory.

wutbrodo 4y ago

This is more of a product problem than a technological one. I don't think the issue is lack of imagination, but hostility from consumers. There are a million and one cases where a pdocut could be 10x better with 10% more effort from me,and where that tradeoff is more than worth it (hell, it's why I use Linux). But the average consumer is aggressively turned off by having to do any "work", and the type of person hanging out on Hacker News is very high-percentile for wanting to put a nonzero amount of work into optimizing this type of thing.

soco 4y ago
I have already a solution where I can put zero amount of work for optimizing it, it's called a button. Why would I bother with something as needy as this "smart" thing?
- wutbrodo 4y ago
  I don't understand your comment or how it's remotely relevant to the thread. Is this just a non sequitur Luddite rant about the very existence of new tech?

8note 4y ago

Surely each time I change the temperature manually that's a signal it's been wrong for the past half hour or so