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How's the censoring story on PeerTube? The good kind of censoring, I mean. If I'm to use a decentralized service which provides me with content, I want to be ab

by haolez 4y ago

How's the censoring story on PeerTube? The good kind of censoring, I mean. If I'm to use a decentralized service which provides me with content, I want to be able to sensor it against terrorist propaganda, child pornography and the likes. Does it offer a solution to that? Genuinely curious.

agentdrtran 4y ago
Nope, it's fully decentralized as far as I'm aware. The resolution is "forward the URL to the cops".
- uncomputation 4y ago
  But what can law enforcement do against decentralized networks with anonymous hosters? With torrents for example, the ISPs go after peers using their service but the content itself will stay up until all peers stop seeding.
  - wmf 4y ago
    AFAIK PeerTube is federated and non-anonymous; it's quite different from P2P.
  - riffic 4y ago
    Good hosting companies don't really like anonymous clients. They know who you are, or they know the name of the person paying the hosting bill.
    - celdon25 4y ago
      Case in point: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31023201 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31023201
  - agentdrtran 4y ago
    My understanding is that peertube still uses a single host to store the data. It works like P2P only when there are multiple viewers on a video for bandwidth-saving reasons.
beepbooptheory 4y ago
Is terrorist propaganda, generally, an issue with stuff like this? I have never heard of that specifically as a concern.
- haolez 4y ago
  I've seen a terrorist propaganda video on Diaspora a long time ago. It had gore.
cowtools 4y ago
It depends on the instance you are on. I don't think I have ever seen child porn or terrorist recruitment videos on peertube, but only about half of peertube is english-speaking so I can't speak on behalf of the whole network. Moderation depends on the instance. The sysadmins choose what videos to ban and what other instances to federate with. Most users choose a single homeserver that reflects their values on moderation. Diode.zone is an example of a popular "heavily moderated" instance. It has some decent videos. The less-moderated instances tend to federate more so I think a lot of the unpopular stuff gets drowned out with "popular" stuff (which apparently includes a lot of european TV news, linux stuff, liberal/libertarian rants, video games, public domain films, and "my little pony" videos). There is very little NSFW content at all because the default behavior is to blur the thumbnails and many instances just block it anyways. Edit: actually I just found some sort of vlog channel run by nudists that didn't mark their videos as NSFW. LOL
woojoo666 4y ago
Probably per-instance moderation, like subreddits on reddit. Just look for an instance that serves your needs
elsjaako 4y ago
With the federated model, someone can host whatever they want on peertube, and there's almost nothing you can do about it (just like any website). The idea is that you join or self host some home server, and the admin of that server makes sure to only show content from decent sources. To this end the admins have a few tools. They choose the list of servers to show new videos from in the publicly available lists ("new videos" etc). So these will come from servers with a history of good moderation. As a user, you can also subscribe to content from servers not specifically approved by the admin. If the admin finds it really offensive they can block that also. Then, as a user, you need to either give up on that content or find a different home server. Obviously an admin is also responsible for the content they themselves host.

by haolez 4y ago

agentdrtran 4y ago

Nope, it's fully decentralized as far as I'm aware. The resolution is "forward the URL to the cops".

uncomputation 4y ago
But what can law enforcement do against decentralized networks with anonymous hosters? With torrents for example, the ISPs go after peers using their service but the content itself will stay up until all peers stop seeding.
- wmf 4y ago
  AFAIK PeerTube is federated and non-anonymous; it's quite different from P2P.
- riffic 4y ago
  Good hosting companies don't really like anonymous clients. They know who you are, or they know the name of the person paying the hosting bill.
  - celdon25 4y ago
    Case in point: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31023201 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31023201
- agentdrtran 4y ago
  My understanding is that peertube still uses a single host to store the data. It works like P2P only when there are multiple viewers on a video for bandwidth-saving reasons.

beepbooptheory 4y ago

Is terrorist propaganda, generally, an issue with stuff like this? I have never heard of that specifically as a concern.

haolez 4y ago
I've seen a terrorist propaganda video on Diaspora a long time ago. It had gore.

cowtools 4y ago

It depends on the instance you are on. I don't think I have ever seen child porn or terrorist recruitment videos on peertube, but only about half of peertube is english-speaking so I can't speak on behalf of the whole network. Moderation depends on the instance. The sysadmins choose what videos to ban and what other instances to federate with. Most users choose a single homeserver that reflects their values on moderation. Diode.zone is an example of a popular "heavily moderated" instance. It has some decent videos. The less-moderated instances tend to federate more so I think a lot of the unpopular stuff gets drowned out with "popular" stuff (which apparently includes a lot of european TV news, linux stuff, liberal/libertarian rants, video games, public domain films, and "my little pony" videos). There is very little NSFW content at all because the default behavior is to blur the thumbnails and many instances just block it anyways. Edit: actually I just found some sort of vlog channel run by nudists that didn't mark their videos as NSFW. LOL

woojoo666 4y ago

Probably per-instance moderation, like subreddits on reddit. Just look for an instance that serves your needs

elsjaako 4y ago

With the federated model, someone can host whatever they want on peertube, and there's almost nothing you can do about it (just like any website). The idea is that you join or self host some home server, and the admin of that server makes sure to only show content from decent sources. To this end the admins have a few tools. They choose the list of servers to show new videos from in the publicly available lists ("new videos" etc). So these will come from servers with a history of good moderation. As a user, you can also subscribe to content from servers not specifically approved by the admin. If the admin finds it really offensive they can block that also. Then, as a user, you need to either give up on that content or find a different home server. Obviously an admin is also responsible for the content they themselves host.