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How did they manage to intercept him at the airport? Are there lists for suspected criminals?

by Mo3 4y ago

paulpauper 4y ago
often the feds will surveil someone for a long time and just wait until they try to leave the country . it makes it much easier than trying to do the arrest elsewhere. it's all electronic . You buy a ticket, show your ID/passposrt, and your info will go out.
- acchow 4y ago
  So you should really drive to central america, I guess?
  - thehappypm 4y ago
    My dad always said, if shit hit the fan, he would go to Brazil. Brazil isn’t exactly lawless, but it’s such a mass of humanity and so many cultures blending together that literally nobody would stick out like a sore thumb there.
    - Mo3 4y ago
      I met a guy living in Brazil once while I was staying at a hotel for work, he said he moved there specifically because he had enough of the governments reach into his personal matters. Two days later, his (Brazilian) bank started to withhold his (non-Brazilian) salary payments for money laundering suspicions because he forgot to file one random document, he was frantically trying to find a way to open a bank account here in Europe, no one would let him with his Brazilian residency, and he had to resort to asking his wife for money. Another two days later, his lawyer told him to get lost because the Brazilian tax office knocked at his office door, he lost the preliminary court case to get his (to begin with, legal) money back, was stranded in Europe and they went to detain his wife. He couldn’t even open a cryptocurrency exchange account because not even they want to deal with the Brazilian authorities and the only ones operating in Brazil itself are on the governments leash. It's not lawless at all. He also told me they have a personal identification number like the US SSN, but that it's much more widely used for almost anything, even if you want to rent an apartment or go shopping (his words, never verified it) and allows authorities to track their every (mostly financial) step. He emphasised you better have that number ready when you enter the country too.
      - closewith 4y ago
        Yes, Brazil is extremely bureaucratic and almost everything is linked to the CPF (Cadastro de Pessoa Física) tax registration number. It's necessary to open a bank account, get a phone, book a flight, rent a car, etc. As they say, Brazil is not for amateurs.
      - csomar 4y ago
        I'm pretty sure the 30% of the Brazilians who don't have bank account, don't have these issues. Your friend picked to live in Brazil, but also didn't want to sacrifice his western conveniences (ie: A bank account, card, being connected to the "system"). He got the worst of both worlds.
        Mo3 4y ago
        Just telling the story because I thought it fitted into the conversation, I don't really agree with his decision or would call him a friend haha.
  - smsm42 4y ago
    They probably have computers on the outgoing checkpoint too. Maybe walk across Rio Grande or something. Or just go to Florida and swim for a really long time.
    - profmonocle 4y ago
      > They probably have computers on the outgoing checkpoint too. Does the US have outgoing checkpoints on its land borders? I thought you only dealt with the Canadian/Mexican customs agents on your way out, and only dealt with US CBP on your way back in. (I haven't crossed a US land border since a road trip to Canada when I was a kid, so I could be very wrong.)
      - rory 4y ago
        I've crossed three land borders to Canada in the past few years and none had an outgoing checkpoint.
    - xeromal 4y ago
      I've driven through the Tijuana border into mexico about 10x and haven't been stopped once. Easy to do. Hard part is getting back in to the US.
  - paulpauper 4y ago
    it was too late for him.
    - acchow 4y ago
      How can you stop someone driving to mexico? They can drive to a border city and walk across without any passport control.
      - paulpauper 4y ago
        It depends on the stage of the investigation. if he was only a suspect then could he leave whenever he wanted. However, if someone is already indicted but it's sealed, then he would have been under watch without anywhere to go. Or he could hve been stopped and brought before a magistrate. HIs mistake was he waited too long, probably should have left in april before the evidence came out, not May.
        jacquesm 4y ago
        His mistake was to make those trades.
  - otikik 4y ago
    No. Purchase a plane ticket first. Then leave by car.
- SnowHill9902 4y ago
  Couldn’t he have sent a canary to the boarding gate?
  - DannyBee 4y ago
    Given the security checks are done by facial recognition, this seems like action-movie level stuff.
  - whiplash451 4y ago
    Fun times ahead for the canary being indicted for helping a criminal play around with law enforcement.
smsm42 4y ago
There are "no fly" lists, and I presume there are lists of "if this person shows up at the airport checkin, inform the police" lists. Also, DHS has Passenger Name Record (PNR) for everybody who flies internationally at least. It'd be trivial to put a flag on it for a person, and then just meet him at the gate.

How did they manage to intercept him at the airport? Are there lists for suspected criminals?

by Mo3 4y ago

How did they manage to intercept him at the airport? Are there lists for suspected criminals?

often the feds will surveil someone for a long time and just wait until they try to leave the country . it makes it much easier than trying to do the arrest elsewhere. it's all electronic . You buy a ticket, show your ID/passposrt, and your info will go out.

acchow 4y ago
So you should really drive to central america, I guess?
- thehappypm 4y ago
  My dad always said, if shit hit the fan, he would go to Brazil. Brazil isn’t exactly lawless, but it’s such a mass of humanity and so many cultures blending together that literally nobody would stick out like a sore thumb there.
  - Mo3 4y ago
    I met a guy living in Brazil once while I was staying at a hotel for work, he said he moved there specifically because he had enough of the governments reach into his personal matters. Two days later, his (Brazilian) bank started to withhold his (non-Brazilian) salary payments for money laundering suspicions because he forgot to file one random document, he was frantically trying to find a way to open a bank account here in Europe, no one would let him with his Brazilian residency, and he had to resort to asking his wife for money. Another two days later, his lawyer told him to get lost because the Brazilian tax office knocked at his office door, he lost the preliminary court case to get his (to begin with, legal) money back, was stranded in Europe and they went to detain his wife. He couldn’t even open a cryptocurrency exchange account because not even they want to deal with the Brazilian authorities and the only ones operating in Brazil itself are on the governments leash. It's not lawless at all. He also told me they have a personal identification number like the US SSN, but that it's much more widely used for almost anything, even if you want to rent an apartment or go shopping (his words, never verified it) and allows authorities to track their every (mostly financial) step. He emphasised you better have that number ready when you enter the country too.
    - closewith 4y ago
      Yes, Brazil is extremely bureaucratic and almost everything is linked to the CPF (Cadastro de Pessoa Física) tax registration number. It's necessary to open a bank account, get a phone, book a flight, rent a car, etc. As they say, Brazil is not for amateurs.
    - csomar 4y ago
      I'm pretty sure the 30% of the Brazilians who don't have bank account, don't have these issues. Your friend picked to live in Brazil, but also didn't want to sacrifice his western conveniences (ie: A bank account, card, being connected to the "system"). He got the worst of both worlds.
      - Mo3 4y ago
        Just telling the story because I thought it fitted into the conversation, I don't really agree with his decision or would call him a friend haha.
- smsm42 4y ago
  They probably have computers on the outgoing checkpoint too. Maybe walk across Rio Grande or something. Or just go to Florida and swim for a really long time.
  - profmonocle 4y ago
    > They probably have computers on the outgoing checkpoint too. Does the US have outgoing checkpoints on its land borders? I thought you only dealt with the Canadian/Mexican customs agents on your way out, and only dealt with US CBP on your way back in. (I haven't crossed a US land border since a road trip to Canada when I was a kid, so I could be very wrong.)
    - rory 4y ago
      I've crossed three land borders to Canada in the past few years and none had an outgoing checkpoint.
  - xeromal 4y ago
    I've driven through the Tijuana border into mexico about 10x and haven't been stopped once. Easy to do. Hard part is getting back in to the US.
- paulpauper 4y ago
  it was too late for him.
  - acchow 4y ago
    How can you stop someone driving to mexico? They can drive to a border city and walk across without any passport control.
    - paulpauper 4y ago
      It depends on the stage of the investigation. if he was only a suspect then could he leave whenever he wanted. However, if someone is already indicted but it's sealed, then he would have been under watch without anywhere to go. Or he could hve been stopped and brought before a magistrate. HIs mistake was he waited too long, probably should have left in april before the evidence came out, not May.
      - jacquesm 4y ago
        His mistake was to make those trades.
- otikik 4y ago
  No. Purchase a plane ticket first. Then leave by car.
SnowHill9902 4y ago
Couldn’t he have sent a canary to the boarding gate?
- DannyBee 4y ago
  Given the security checks are done by facial recognition, this seems like action-movie level stuff.
- whiplash451 4y ago
  Fun times ahead for the canary being indicted for helping a criminal play around with law enforcement.

smsm42 4y ago

There are "no fly" lists, and I presume there are lists of "if this person shows up at the airport checkin, inform the police" lists. Also, DHS has Passenger Name Record (PNR) for everybody who flies internationally at least. It'd be trivial to put a flag on it for a person, and then just meet him at the gate.