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Like most things Google/mobile, Apple did it, so they had to follow suit.

by googlryas 4y ago

ape4 4y ago
How is it working for Apple?
- deleted 4y ago
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yccs27 4y ago
They did? I'm not in the Apple ecosystem, but I thought privacy and control over your apps was Apple's thing?
- ajayyy 4y ago
  Has Apple shown a list of raw app entitlements? They always prefer "simplicity" to user control
  - MBCook 4y ago
    Never. But they have “privacy nutrition labels” that show what data is tracked either anonymously or linked to you. It’s quite helpful, and likely easier to read than a raw list of permissions. https://www.businessinsider.com/what-are-apple-privacy-nutrition-labels https://www.businessinsider.com/what-are-apple-privacy-nutri... When I saw this post I assumed Google was rolling back their privacy nutrition label like things they added. I didn’t realize it was about the granular list.
  - duskwuff 4y ago
    Entitlements aren't permissions. There are a lot of operating system services which are privacy-relevant, but which don't have associated entitlements (e.g. location services or contacts access), and a lot of entitlements that aren't related to permissions (like ones that let an application request an increased memory limit, or allow it to store data in iCloud). Here's a full list of entitlements from Apple. You'll find that a lot of them wouldn't make sense to display on a store page: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/bundleresources/entitlements https://developer.apple.com/documentation/bundleresources/en...
LordDragonfang 4y ago
No question that Google has just been trying to ape Apple lately, but for mobile specifically there are actually lots of features that android and its ecosystem had for years before Apple finally added (copied) it for iOS.
- GeekyBear 4y ago
  With permissions, before Google started to copy Apple's system, there was no such thing as an Android user being able to deny an app permission to do something. Either you gave the app permission to do everything it wanted, or you couldn't install the app at all. Isn't the next version of Android the first time users will be allowed to deny an app permission to send notifications? That's been in iOS from the start and has always provided a way to silence apps that spam notifications.
  - bsoft16385 4y ago
    Android has had the ability to disable notifications for at least the last few years.
    - GeekyBear 4y ago
      >Android 13 (API level 33) introduces a new runtime permission for sending non-exempt notifications from an app: POST_NOTIFICATIONS. This change helps users focus on the notifications that are most important to them. https://developer.android.com/about/versions/13/changes/notification-permission https://developer.android.com/about/versions/13/changes/noti...
  - easrng 4y ago
    Android has had the ability to turn off notifications since Android 4.1 (July of 2012) and I'm pretty sure the ability to turn off notifications on iOS was added in iOS 5 (October 2011) iOS only added permissions at all in iOS 6, before that apps had access to photos, calendars, contacts and reminders automatically.
    - 4y ago

Like most things Google/mobile, Apple did it, so they had to follow suit.

ape4 4y ago

How is it working for Apple?

deleted 4y ago
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yccs27 4y ago

They did? I'm not in the Apple ecosystem, but I thought privacy and control over your apps was Apple's thing?

ajayyy 4y ago
Has Apple shown a list of raw app entitlements? They always prefer "simplicity" to user control
- MBCook 4y ago
  Never. But they have “privacy nutrition labels” that show what data is tracked either anonymously or linked to you. It’s quite helpful, and likely easier to read than a raw list of permissions. https://www.businessinsider.com/what-are-apple-privacy-nutrition-labels https://www.businessinsider.com/what-are-apple-privacy-nutri... When I saw this post I assumed Google was rolling back their privacy nutrition label like things they added. I didn’t realize it was about the granular list.
- duskwuff 4y ago
  Entitlements aren't permissions. There are a lot of operating system services which are privacy-relevant, but which don't have associated entitlements (e.g. location services or contacts access), and a lot of entitlements that aren't related to permissions (like ones that let an application request an increased memory limit, or allow it to store data in iCloud). Here's a full list of entitlements from Apple. You'll find that a lot of them wouldn't make sense to display on a store page: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/bundleresources/entitlements https://developer.apple.com/documentation/bundleresources/en...

LordDragonfang 4y ago

No question that Google has just been trying to ape Apple lately, but for mobile specifically there are actually lots of features that android and its ecosystem had for years before Apple finally added (copied) it for iOS.

GeekyBear 4y ago
With permissions, before Google started to copy Apple's system, there was no such thing as an Android user being able to deny an app permission to do something. Either you gave the app permission to do everything it wanted, or you couldn't install the app at all. Isn't the next version of Android the first time users will be allowed to deny an app permission to send notifications? That's been in iOS from the start and has always provided a way to silence apps that spam notifications.
- bsoft16385 4y ago
  Android has had the ability to disable notifications for at least the last few years.
  - GeekyBear 4y ago
    >Android 13 (API level 33) introduces a new runtime permission for sending non-exempt notifications from an app: POST_NOTIFICATIONS. This change helps users focus on the notifications that are most important to them. https://developer.android.com/about/versions/13/changes/notification-permission https://developer.android.com/about/versions/13/changes/noti...
- easrng 4y ago
  Android has had the ability to turn off notifications since Android 4.1 (July of 2012) and I'm pretty sure the ability to turn off notifications on iOS was added in iOS 5 (October 2011) iOS only added permissions at all in iOS 6, before that apps had access to photos, calendars, contacts and reminders automatically.
  - 4y ago