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Occupy Wall St had a huge impact on the culture war and it’s no coincidence that todays intense culture war began after it. Occupy failed for many reasons but p

Occupy Wall St had a huge impact on the culture war and it’s no coincidence that todays intense culture war began after it. Occupy failed for many reasons but primarily it failed because it couldn’t get funded. Donor class and corporate sponsorship are required for progressives to attain the power they want. Class warfare - the traditional progressive cause - died and gave birth to a new identity politics (we call it Woke today) that could get funded. Donors and businesses (the same thing) can get behind a movement that centers group identity so long as it isn’t class because it’s useful. It’s why you didn’t see any corporations updating their logo for Occupy or speaking out in favor and why mainstream media did its best to paint it as a rudderless, leaderless collective that didn’t have clear messaging or requests. People ask how wokeness became such a big thing so fast and it’s because it has been extremely useful in crushing class solidarity after the collapse of the financial system.

ndesaulniers 4y ago
I feel like I'm reading the plot of a Metal Gear Solid game. What will the Patriots do next? So intriguing!
canadiantim 4y ago
Occupy failed because it didn’t have clearly defined goals. Ending capitalism isn’t really a readily achievable goal; Occupy would have had more success if they broke down their broad sweeping goals into smaller more attainable goals.
- nemo44x 4y ago
  It did have clear goals - “we are the 99%”. It addressed wealth and income inequality and money in politics and it didn’t have a leadership head for the same reason Antifa doesn’t - they are collectives against hierarchal societies. They operated on loose consensus and because of these principals I agree it was weak. But their message was clear. But they couldn’t get donor class support because, well that is the 1%. The media painted it as a well meaning (they’re progressives after all) thing that has no concrete goal. That was a lie. However, radical gender ideology doesn’t address the 1%. If anything it’s an attack on the working classes that tend to have traditional values. So here we are.
  - Aunche 4y ago
    Reducing wealth and income inequality is an outcome, not a tangible goal. It's the same as ending police violence against black people. That is actually a more tangible goal because that can be directly controlled by the government. It also had no shortage of support for the "donor class." Yet BLM was still ineffective because it still lacked focus.
    - makomk 4y ago
      To the kind of left-wing populist involved in things like Occupy Wall Street, reducing wealth and income inequality is the tangible goal that they believe achieves the outcomes they want. Their thinking seems to be roughly like this: there is a fixed amount of wealth in the economy that is sufficient for all ordinary people to live a good life, but the super-wealthy have siphoned off much of that wealth due to their greed and that's why ordinary people are suffering, and the only solution to that is to forcibly redistribute that stolen wealth back to the people. Any attempts to make things more complicated than this, any talk about rising tides lifting all boats or suggestion it won't work, is just a propaganda trick from the super-rich.
      - ryandrake 4y ago
        The "rising tide" meme never made much sense to me. The economy is not like the ocean. A rising ocean affects all boats equally, but a rising economy does not affect all participants equally. The gains from rising economies tend to be disproportionately captured by the already-wealthy, and the losses from falling economies tend to be disproportionately borne by the poor.
      - WalterBright 4y ago
        The wealthy in a free market get that way by creating wealth, not transferring it from poor people.
  - bena 4y ago
    To be fair. "Fix wealth and income inequality" as a goal is a bit like Michael Scott's 45 day-45 point plan to save Dunder Mifflin. "Ok, day 45 company saved. Day 44. Go." Yes, we need to do that. From here to there however, is a long and winding road with many obstacles.
- jonathankoren 4y ago
  Famously, "What is our one demand?"
rayiner 4y ago
I don't think it's a conspiracy theory, but it reads like one. Obama ran as a populist and won Iowa by almost 10 points in 2008, Wisconsin by 14 points, Michigan by almost 17 points, etc. With nearly 60 Senate votes, he was able to permanently expand the social safety net through Obamacare. And how did Wall Street respond? They rebranded themselves as the good guys for their George W. Bush views on immigration, and helped pain Democrats' blue wall voters in the midwest as "deplorables" for not having progressive views on immigration, sexuality, etc. The Democratic Party happily joined them in blowing off one of its own legs, and the resulting party is one that owes its slim electoral majority to Arizona, the home of Barry Goldwater and Regan suburbs in Atlanta and can't do anything.
- joshuamorton 4y ago
  This doesn't hold up given that in 2012, Wisconsin was only +7.5, Iowa was +6, and Michigan was +10, an across the board drop of 5-8 points in those states over 4 years for the same guy when, by all accounts as in incumbent, he should have done better. This line of conspiracy only works if you pretend that Democrats are the only people with agency, and that there wasn't active and successful work in the Republican arena to appeal to voters "racial anxieties". The party was actively being racist, but apparently saying that is unacceptable. > Regan suburbs in Atlanta Cobb county is majority minority as of the 2020 census. It was 75% white in 2000, probably like 80 or 85 for Reagan. Dems appeal among actual working class people (read: usually minorities who don't own quarter million dollar trucks) remains extremely strong.
  - hpkuarg 4y ago
    > Dems appeal among actual working class people (read: usually minorities who don't own quarter million dollar trucks) remains extremely strong. The latest NYT/Siena poll suggests exactly otherwise for the coming midterms. Dems carry the white college-educated vote by a substantial margin and lose all working-class groups (non-college-degree, lower income) to Reps. The message is that the Democratic Party as of now caters to those who are financially well enough off that social ("woke") issues matter more than economic issues.
antisthenes 4y ago
Sounds like Embrace, extend, and extinguish strategy in relation to a social movement. Corporations embraced identity politics, extended it to absurdity (peak wokeness), and are now extinguishing any hope of meaningful change, placating the plebes with meaningless virtue signaling and short-lived rage-machines like BLM.
- no-dr-onboard 4y ago
  There is an old documentary out there that basically sums this strategy as: "Your movement dies in Target. Yes, Target. Corporate America will defang your movement, put it on a t-shirt, acid wash it and sell it to mindless, edgy teenagers who want to feel like they're doing something with their lives "by supporting" it."
  - autoexec 4y ago
    What's the documentary?
  - nemo44x 4y ago
    That’s essentially the premise of the novel “Gravity’s Rainbow”. Anything and everything will be co-opted for corporate profit. The only way to truly be free is to fly under the radar.
lettergram 4y ago
> Occupy failed for many reasons but primarily it failed because it couldn’t get funded. Donor class and corporate sponsorship are required for progressives to attain the power they want. Class warfare - the traditional progressive cause - died and gave birth to a new identity politics (we call it Woke today) that could get funded. Yup, my interpretation was the corporations / government funded the woke politics to divide. If you review the old Soviet era plans to bring down America it was effectively to focus on inflaming racial tension. That’s effectively what critical race theory is, instead of class dynamics you have racial dynamics; the end goal is the same. Gain power through a divide and conquer strategy to bring in an era where all are “equal”, some are just more equal than others.
- greedo 4y ago
  This displays a fundamental misunderstanding of CRT.
  - lettergram 4y ago
    I’ve read a few books on the subject. They explain that as the objective in the early work. So no don’t really think so, I think most people don’t take the time to understand / read context.
    - claudiawerner 4y ago
      Can you say which books you're talking about, and by which authors? I've also read my fair share of CRT, but mostly papers from the last 10 years rather than books, so I'm curious who you're referencing.
  - kwere 4y ago
    are the results different? i cant believe in usa the divide between black and white are bigger than being poor or middle class. certantly there are certain big picture "identity" dinamics (or the remaints) at plays, but to solve social issues the solution are simple and proven across countries and time. lift the poor out of poverty with economic and social chances (effective education is a simple solution) and control the problems originated by poverty in those communities by law and by "social" investments. the CRT discourse looks, behave? and talks like a divide et impera
hobo_in_library 4y ago
Huh, that also explains how the trans movement grew so quickly out of nowhere. Regardless of whether you agree with it or not, pushing such a big change onto an entire country is a huge endeavor! Claims of trans pharma companies doing all the pushing seemed far fetched to me since it didn't seem like that would be enough to account for all the support it's gotten. But if this allows the culture warfare to continue while keeping the working class distracted away from the elite, suddenly you have many more donors who'd be happy to support your cause.
jonathankoren 4y ago
Occupy certainly brought wealth inequality to more of a forefront of the conversation, but I wouldn't say it began the culture war. I'm old enough to remember the early 90s and the start of the permanent campaign and professional outrage of media. But the culture war has been going on since at least the mid 50s with desegregation. Even in 1954, comedians were complaining about not being able to make a joke anymore.[0] [0] https://www.truthorfiction.com/june-1954-jack-albertson-lamented-the-loss-of-blackface-and-felt-minority-groups-were-making-life-rough-for-the-comedian/ https://www.truthorfiction.com/june-1954-jack-albertson-lame...
- nemo44x 4y ago
  I didn’t say it began it at all. Just that it clearly intensified since.
  - jonathankoren 4y ago
    More intense than saying the first family is running cocaine up from Columbia, and has a personal murder squad, they’d use on everyone from some rando at a stoplight, to the Secretary of Transportation?
xnx 4y ago
This is an interesting opinion. My opinion is that Occupy Wall St is a tiny footnote to a culture war that goes back to Rush Limbaugh in the 90's and then Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Alex Jones, and Tucker Carlson today.
- nemo44x 4y ago
  Occupy was a right wing thing? I don’t get what you’re saying here.
thrashh 4y ago
Occupy Wall St failed because it had no agenda in my opinion. The agenda for LGBT rights movement? Marriage equality in law. You’ve got a clear goal. Civil rights movement? Equal suffrage, repeal of discriminatory laws. You can’t take action when no one is asking for a specific action.
- atomicUpdate 4y ago
  > The agenda for LGBT rights movement? Marriage equality in law. You’ve got a clear goal. I think a lot of people wish it was that simple. Instead, the progressive trans movement has crept into sports, prisons, spas, toy aisles, etc. which far fewer people agree on a straightforward answer to. It's unlikely the LGBT agenda will ever focus on something as simple as marriage equality and then be "done", since far too many people are making money on finding new issues to push for.
  - sethrin 4y ago
    The existence of trans people is not an "issue", or a question to be decided. The fact of that existence is certainly very inconvenient to a great many people who are used to ignoring it.
  - SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
    There was never one singular push for gay marriage over all other things. If anything the aids crisis was the most unifying phenomenon in the lgbtq community, because it perfectly encapsulated that society at large can and will unequivocally kill lgbtq people via the intentional withholding of basic consideration for life. And even that had multiple fractures in the community of what to do about it (such as whether or not to protest in churches).
    - nemo44x 4y ago
      - carapace 4y ago
MisterBastahrd 4y ago
Today's intense culture war began with Bill Clinton taking the White House in 1992 (which shocked Republicans to their cores) and was exacerbated by the removal of earmarks from legislation. These caused a wholesale demographic shift that turned political parties into polar monoliths. The only thing that kept Republicans from radicalizing even further this time around is that Trump was basically voted out of office for being obnoxiously antagonistic.
- jmyeet 4y ago
  > Bill Clinton taking the White House in 1992 You mean the Bill Clinton who was so cucked by conservatism that he passed the "Law and Order" Bill of 1994 that made him the architect of mass incarceration? That Bill Clinton? Clinton pretty much only won because Ross Perot was a conservative spoiler in 1992. The modern Republican Party is a project spanning 50+ years that really began with racial desegregation. The so-called "originalist" interpretation of the Constitution that now dominates the Supreme Court is a modern invention of the Nixon era. The Federalist Society began is a project in the 1980s to create a pipeline to push this completely made up "philosophy". Prior to the mid-to-late 1970s, abortion wasn't a controversial topic. Catholics had been opposed. No one else really cared (or, rather, they viewed it as a personal choice where the Bible was silent on the issue). We are now in an era where Supreme Court just openly lie to justify a political agenda. Two prime examples: 1. The coach who Gorsuch claimed was quietly praying despite photographic evidence to the contrary [1]; and 2. Alito claiming abortion was never part of our tradition despite Ben Franklin publishing instructions on how to do an abortion at home [2]. Hopefully you're just an unwitting victim of this very effective propaganda that makes you believe the Democrats somehow started the culture war. I hope for your sake you wake up to the fact that you've been systematically lied to. [1]: https://www.vox.com/2022/6/27/23184848/supreme-court-kennedy-bremerton-school-football-coach-prayer-neil-gorsuch https://www.vox.com/2022/6/27/23184848/supreme-court-kennedy... [2]:https://www.npr.org/2022/05/18/1099542962/abortion-ben-franklin-roe-wade-supreme-court-leak https://www.npr.org/2022/05/18/1099542962/abortion-ben-frank...
  - MisterBastahrd 4y ago
    Yes, that Bill Clinton. The one whose wife tried to architect a form of universal healthcare and was hounded for over thirty years for her transgressions. I am fully aware of the history of abortion-opposition and have posted about it multiple times on this site. Here's the thing though: I lived through the era as a young adult. So while you have links, I have lived experience. I know what I saw and who said what. I never said Democrats started the culture war. The "Gingrich revolution" and his Contract on America was a full throated reaction to Democrats winning the White House. It reshuffled the political parties along ideological lines and eliminated most Blue Dog Democrats. Maybe learn some history before coming at people with whatever you learned last week.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> Occupy Wall St had a huge impact on the culture war and it’s no coincidence that todays intense culture war began after it. It's true. Thing-that-didn’t-happen was not a coincidence.
raxxorraxor 4y ago
I think it is the reason why the movement died to be honest. Pushing "woke" talking points is also a great indicator of government influence on a corporation. Perhaps the state has stakes or maybe the company was rescued by tax payers. For corporations the usefulness is actually in dividing people along arbitrary lines. Race, sex or whatever you like I guess. The is textbook behavior for toxic middle management. Treat people differently and they fight among themselves instead of you. Age old trick.

ndesaulniers 4y ago

I feel like I'm reading the plot of a Metal Gear Solid game. What will the Patriots do next? So intriguing!

canadiantim 4y ago

Occupy failed because it didn’t have clearly defined goals. Ending capitalism isn’t really a readily achievable goal; Occupy would have had more success if they broke down their broad sweeping goals into smaller more attainable goals.

nemo44x 4y ago
It did have clear goals - “we are the 99%”. It addressed wealth and income inequality and money in politics and it didn’t have a leadership head for the same reason Antifa doesn’t - they are collectives against hierarchal societies. They operated on loose consensus and because of these principals I agree it was weak. But their message was clear. But they couldn’t get donor class support because, well that is the 1%. The media painted it as a well meaning (they’re progressives after all) thing that has no concrete goal. That was a lie. However, radical gender ideology doesn’t address the 1%. If anything it’s an attack on the working classes that tend to have traditional values. So here we are.
- Aunche 4y ago
  Reducing wealth and income inequality is an outcome, not a tangible goal. It's the same as ending police violence against black people. That is actually a more tangible goal because that can be directly controlled by the government. It also had no shortage of support for the "donor class." Yet BLM was still ineffective because it still lacked focus.
  - makomk 4y ago
    To the kind of left-wing populist involved in things like Occupy Wall Street, reducing wealth and income inequality is the tangible goal that they believe achieves the outcomes they want. Their thinking seems to be roughly like this: there is a fixed amount of wealth in the economy that is sufficient for all ordinary people to live a good life, but the super-wealthy have siphoned off much of that wealth due to their greed and that's why ordinary people are suffering, and the only solution to that is to forcibly redistribute that stolen wealth back to the people. Any attempts to make things more complicated than this, any talk about rising tides lifting all boats or suggestion it won't work, is just a propaganda trick from the super-rich.
    - ryandrake 4y ago
      The "rising tide" meme never made much sense to me. The economy is not like the ocean. A rising ocean affects all boats equally, but a rising economy does not affect all participants equally. The gains from rising economies tend to be disproportionately captured by the already-wealthy, and the losses from falling economies tend to be disproportionately borne by the poor.
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      The wealthy in a free market get that way by creating wealth, not transferring it from poor people.
- bena 4y ago
  To be fair. "Fix wealth and income inequality" as a goal is a bit like Michael Scott's 45 day-45 point plan to save Dunder Mifflin. "Ok, day 45 company saved. Day 44. Go." Yes, we need to do that. From here to there however, is a long and winding road with many obstacles.
jonathankoren 4y ago
Famously, "What is our one demand?"

rayiner 4y ago

I don't think it's a conspiracy theory, but it reads like one. Obama ran as a populist and won Iowa by almost 10 points in 2008, Wisconsin by 14 points, Michigan by almost 17 points, etc. With nearly 60 Senate votes, he was able to permanently expand the social safety net through Obamacare. And how did Wall Street respond? They rebranded themselves as the good guys for their George W. Bush views on immigration, and helped pain Democrats' blue wall voters in the midwest as "deplorables" for not having progressive views on immigration, sexuality, etc. The Democratic Party happily joined them in blowing off one of its own legs, and the resulting party is one that owes its slim electoral majority to Arizona, the home of Barry Goldwater and Regan suburbs in Atlanta and can't do anything.

joshuamorton 4y ago
This doesn't hold up given that in 2012, Wisconsin was only +7.5, Iowa was +6, and Michigan was +10, an across the board drop of 5-8 points in those states over 4 years for the same guy when, by all accounts as in incumbent, he should have done better. This line of conspiracy only works if you pretend that Democrats are the only people with agency, and that there wasn't active and successful work in the Republican arena to appeal to voters "racial anxieties". The party was actively being racist, but apparently saying that is unacceptable. > Regan suburbs in Atlanta Cobb county is majority minority as of the 2020 census. It was 75% white in 2000, probably like 80 or 85 for Reagan. Dems appeal among actual working class people (read: usually minorities who don't own quarter million dollar trucks) remains extremely strong.
- hpkuarg 4y ago
  > Dems appeal among actual working class people (read: usually minorities who don't own quarter million dollar trucks) remains extremely strong. The latest NYT/Siena poll suggests exactly otherwise for the coming midterms. Dems carry the white college-educated vote by a substantial margin and lose all working-class groups (non-college-degree, lower income) to Reps. The message is that the Democratic Party as of now caters to those who are financially well enough off that social ("woke") issues matter more than economic issues.

antisthenes 4y ago

Sounds like Embrace, extend, and extinguish strategy in relation to a social movement. Corporations embraced identity politics, extended it to absurdity (peak wokeness), and are now extinguishing any hope of meaningful change, placating the plebes with meaningless virtue signaling and short-lived rage-machines like BLM.

no-dr-onboard 4y ago
There is an old documentary out there that basically sums this strategy as: "Your movement dies in Target. Yes, Target. Corporate America will defang your movement, put it on a t-shirt, acid wash it and sell it to mindless, edgy teenagers who want to feel like they're doing something with their lives "by supporting" it."
- autoexec 4y ago
  What's the documentary?
- nemo44x 4y ago
  That’s essentially the premise of the novel “Gravity’s Rainbow”. Anything and everything will be co-opted for corporate profit. The only way to truly be free is to fly under the radar.

lettergram 4y ago

> Occupy failed for many reasons but primarily it failed because it couldn’t get funded. Donor class and corporate sponsorship are required for progressives to attain the power they want. Class warfare - the traditional progressive cause - died and gave birth to a new identity politics (we call it Woke today) that could get funded. Yup, my interpretation was the corporations / government funded the woke politics to divide. If you review the old Soviet era plans to bring down America it was effectively to focus on inflaming racial tension. That’s effectively what critical race theory is, instead of class dynamics you have racial dynamics; the end goal is the same. Gain power through a divide and conquer strategy to bring in an era where all are “equal”, some are just more equal than others.

greedo 4y ago
This displays a fundamental misunderstanding of CRT.
- lettergram 4y ago
  I’ve read a few books on the subject. They explain that as the objective in the early work. So no don’t really think so, I think most people don’t take the time to understand / read context.
  - claudiawerner 4y ago
    Can you say which books you're talking about, and by which authors? I've also read my fair share of CRT, but mostly papers from the last 10 years rather than books, so I'm curious who you're referencing.
- kwere 4y ago
  are the results different? i cant believe in usa the divide between black and white are bigger than being poor or middle class. certantly there are certain big picture "identity" dinamics (or the remaints) at plays, but to solve social issues the solution are simple and proven across countries and time. lift the poor out of poverty with economic and social chances (effective education is a simple solution) and control the problems originated by poverty in those communities by law and by "social" investments. the CRT discourse looks, behave? and talks like a divide et impera

hobo_in_library 4y ago

Huh, that also explains how the trans movement grew so quickly out of nowhere. Regardless of whether you agree with it or not, pushing such a big change onto an entire country is a huge endeavor! Claims of trans pharma companies doing all the pushing seemed far fetched to me since it didn't seem like that would be enough to account for all the support it's gotten. But if this allows the culture warfare to continue while keeping the working class distracted away from the elite, suddenly you have many more donors who'd be happy to support your cause.

jonathankoren 4y ago

Occupy certainly brought wealth inequality to more of a forefront of the conversation, but I wouldn't say it began the culture war. I'm old enough to remember the early 90s and the start of the permanent campaign and professional outrage of media. But the culture war has been going on since at least the mid 50s with desegregation. Even in 1954, comedians were complaining about not being able to make a joke anymore.[0] [0] https://www.truthorfiction.com/june-1954-jack-albertson-lamented-the-loss-of-blackface-and-felt-minority-groups-were-making-life-rough-for-the-comedian/ https://www.truthorfiction.com/june-1954-jack-albertson-lame...

nemo44x 4y ago
I didn’t say it began it at all. Just that it clearly intensified since.
- jonathankoren 4y ago
  More intense than saying the first family is running cocaine up from Columbia, and has a personal murder squad, they’d use on everyone from some rando at a stoplight, to the Secretary of Transportation?

xnx 4y ago

This is an interesting opinion. My opinion is that Occupy Wall St is a tiny footnote to a culture war that goes back to Rush Limbaugh in the 90's and then Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Alex Jones, and Tucker Carlson today.

nemo44x 4y ago
Occupy was a right wing thing? I don’t get what you’re saying here.

thrashh 4y ago

Occupy Wall St failed because it had no agenda in my opinion. The agenda for LGBT rights movement? Marriage equality in law. You’ve got a clear goal. Civil rights movement? Equal suffrage, repeal of discriminatory laws. You can’t take action when no one is asking for a specific action.

atomicUpdate 4y ago
> The agenda for LGBT rights movement? Marriage equality in law. You’ve got a clear goal. I think a lot of people wish it was that simple. Instead, the progressive trans movement has crept into sports, prisons, spas, toy aisles, etc. which far fewer people agree on a straightforward answer to. It's unlikely the LGBT agenda will ever focus on something as simple as marriage equality and then be "done", since far too many people are making money on finding new issues to push for.
- sethrin 4y ago
  The existence of trans people is not an "issue", or a question to be decided. The fact of that existence is certainly very inconvenient to a great many people who are used to ignoring it.
- SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
  There was never one singular push for gay marriage over all other things. If anything the aids crisis was the most unifying phenomenon in the lgbtq community, because it perfectly encapsulated that society at large can and will unequivocally kill lgbtq people via the intentional withholding of basic consideration for life. And even that had multiple fractures in the community of what to do about it (such as whether or not to protest in churches).
  - nemo44x 4y ago
    - carapace 4y ago

MisterBastahrd 4y ago

Today's intense culture war began with Bill Clinton taking the White House in 1992 (which shocked Republicans to their cores) and was exacerbated by the removal of earmarks from legislation. These caused a wholesale demographic shift that turned political parties into polar monoliths. The only thing that kept Republicans from radicalizing even further this time around is that Trump was basically voted out of office for being obnoxiously antagonistic.

jmyeet 4y ago
> Bill Clinton taking the White House in 1992 You mean the Bill Clinton who was so cucked by conservatism that he passed the "Law and Order" Bill of 1994 that made him the architect of mass incarceration? That Bill Clinton? Clinton pretty much only won because Ross Perot was a conservative spoiler in 1992. The modern Republican Party is a project spanning 50+ years that really began with racial desegregation. The so-called "originalist" interpretation of the Constitution that now dominates the Supreme Court is a modern invention of the Nixon era. The Federalist Society began is a project in the 1980s to create a pipeline to push this completely made up "philosophy". Prior to the mid-to-late 1970s, abortion wasn't a controversial topic. Catholics had been opposed. No one else really cared (or, rather, they viewed it as a personal choice where the Bible was silent on the issue). We are now in an era where Supreme Court just openly lie to justify a political agenda. Two prime examples: 1. The coach who Gorsuch claimed was quietly praying despite photographic evidence to the contrary [1]; and 2. Alito claiming abortion was never part of our tradition despite Ben Franklin publishing instructions on how to do an abortion at home [2]. Hopefully you're just an unwitting victim of this very effective propaganda that makes you believe the Democrats somehow started the culture war. I hope for your sake you wake up to the fact that you've been systematically lied to. [1]: https://www.vox.com/2022/6/27/23184848/supreme-court-kennedy-bremerton-school-football-coach-prayer-neil-gorsuch https://www.vox.com/2022/6/27/23184848/supreme-court-kennedy... [2]:https://www.npr.org/2022/05/18/1099542962/abortion-ben-franklin-roe-wade-supreme-court-leak https://www.npr.org/2022/05/18/1099542962/abortion-ben-frank...
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  Yes, that Bill Clinton. The one whose wife tried to architect a form of universal healthcare and was hounded for over thirty years for her transgressions. I am fully aware of the history of abortion-opposition and have posted about it multiple times on this site. Here's the thing though: I lived through the era as a young adult. So while you have links, I have lived experience. I know what I saw and who said what. I never said Democrats started the culture war. The "Gingrich revolution" and his Contract on America was a full throated reaction to Democrats winning the White House. It reshuffled the political parties along ideological lines and eliminated most Blue Dog Democrats. Maybe learn some history before coming at people with whatever you learned last week.

dragonwriter 4y ago

> Occupy Wall St had a huge impact on the culture war and it’s no coincidence that todays intense culture war began after it. It's true. Thing-that-didn’t-happen was not a coincidence.

raxxorraxor 4y ago

I think it is the reason why the movement died to be honest. Pushing "woke" talking points is also a great indicator of government influence on a corporation. Perhaps the state has stakes or maybe the company was rescued by tax payers. For corporations the usefulness is actually in dividing people along arbitrary lines. Race, sex or whatever you like I guess. The is textbook behavior for toxic middle management. Treat people differently and they fight among themselves instead of you. Age old trick.