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As always, I'm happy to answer any questions anyone has on this!

by nrp 4y ago

Tryk 4y ago
Just wanted to say, thanks for making these computers. It's a great initiative.
pthread_t 4y ago
I currently have the 11th gen DIY edition. I'm running linux on it and I'm loving it. When do you plan on making the 12th gen intel main boards + top cover available for purchase? Will the main board upgrade bring the 11th gen machine to the same exact spec? Or does the new 12th gen have other improvements?
- nrp 4y ago
  The Upgrade Kit is available as of this morning on the Framework Marketplace, and is the complete set of hardware to bring an 11th Gen system up to what the new 12th Gen systems have.
schmorptron 4y ago
Hey nrp, I recently saw this video [1] which showed some major battery life differences between the i5 and i7 for Alder Lake which really took me by surprise. (22% battery on the i5 vs 38% on the i7 after a couple of hours of playing video) Is the difference similar on the framework laptop, and if so, is this a driver problem for the i5 / better under Linux and expected to improve as big.little utilization gets more robust or just a case where race-to-idle really hits? Would love to hear professional input on this since you've probably worked pretty closely with these cpus in the last few months! [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-y8ElW473s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-y8ElW473s
- nrp 4y ago
  We've seen battery life be roughly the same for the same workload (MobileMark) on i5-1240P, i7-1260P, and i7-1280P. It's unclear where the major difference comes from in that video, but I would guess the laptop maker has other hardware or software differences between the two laptop SKUs.
  - schmorptron 4y ago
    Awesome, thanks for the info!
tbyehl 4y ago
Touchscreen option, pretty please. I live with the fixed RAM and general lack of repairability of my Surface Laptop 3 for that sweet, sweet 3:2 display w/ a touchscreen.
- noveltyaccount 4y ago
  Touchscreen, stylus digitizer, and 360° hinge :)
  - tbyehl 4y ago
    IDK about the rest of that, but an alcantara-covered palm rest wouldn't hurt.
rvz 4y ago
Thank you for creating a very nice looking laptop that I am very confident at recommending to the average person. No need for screw-drivers for the basic of replaceable components, ports, etc. It is a genius swappable plug and play modules system and is as simple as plugging in a USB. I'm looking forward to the next iteration of the Framework Laptop.
mrgalaxy 4y ago
Is there any plan to add AMD CPUs to the Framework laptop? The 12th gen Intel chips are a huge improvement over previous generations, but my understanding is that AMD chips are of similar performance with better power usage and thermals. Edit: This may not be true anymore, anyone is free to correct me on this.
nullwarp 4y ago
Any plans for a larger say 15"ish version? I seem to be in the minority of people who think 16" is too big and 13" is too small.
znpy 4y ago
I'm seeing that some people are upgrading the motherboard and re-purposing the old one as a stand-alone desktop computer... Have you considered selling cases to be used with old revisions of the motherboard? I mean, I could buy the new motherboard and the case of the old one at the same time, it would make sense.
- nrp 4y ago
  We've released 3D-printable files for a case for the Mainboard: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard We've also seen some great community developed cases. We can't share any plans around commercial cases of our own, but we'd love to see third party ones come around.
mixmastamyk 4y ago
Put an order in a month ago. Can we expect it to arrive by Aug 15, first day of school? :-D
8note 4y ago
My killer device through covid wfh, and in general for software work has been the surface book, thanks to the touxh screen and great pen input to make quick diagrams. When can I get this from a framework laptop?
GrayShade 4y ago
If you ever make a larger model, will you please consider adding one more column of navigation keys (Home, End, Pg Up/Dn) and full-sized arrows? I find the split ones really uncomfortable to use. If you look at the 16" MBP, there's a bunch of empty space, but it still has the tiny arrows. I'm pretty disappointed in how most of the manufacturers followed Apple on this one.

As always, I'm happy to answer any questions anyone has on this!

by nrp 4y ago

As always, I'm happy to answer any questions anyone has on this!

Tryk 4y ago

Just wanted to say, thanks for making these computers. It's a great initiative.

pthread_t 4y ago

I currently have the 11th gen DIY edition. I'm running linux on it and I'm loving it. When do you plan on making the 12th gen intel main boards + top cover available for purchase? Will the main board upgrade bring the 11th gen machine to the same exact spec? Or does the new 12th gen have other improvements?

nrp 4y ago
The Upgrade Kit is available as of this morning on the Framework Marketplace, and is the complete set of hardware to bring an 11th Gen system up to what the new 12th Gen systems have.

schmorptron 4y ago

Hey nrp, I recently saw this video [1] which showed some major battery life differences between the i5 and i7 for Alder Lake which really took me by surprise. (22% battery on the i5 vs 38% on the i7 after a couple of hours of playing video) Is the difference similar on the framework laptop, and if so, is this a driver problem for the i5 / better under Linux and expected to improve as big.little utilization gets more robust or just a case where race-to-idle really hits? Would love to hear professional input on this since you've probably worked pretty closely with these cpus in the last few months! [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-y8ElW473s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-y8ElW473s

nrp 4y ago
We've seen battery life be roughly the same for the same workload (MobileMark) on i5-1240P, i7-1260P, and i7-1280P. It's unclear where the major difference comes from in that video, but I would guess the laptop maker has other hardware or software differences between the two laptop SKUs.
- schmorptron 4y ago
  Awesome, thanks for the info!

tbyehl 4y ago

Touchscreen option, pretty please. I live with the fixed RAM and general lack of repairability of my Surface Laptop 3 for that sweet, sweet 3:2 display w/ a touchscreen.

noveltyaccount 4y ago
Touchscreen, stylus digitizer, and 360° hinge :)
- tbyehl 4y ago
  IDK about the rest of that, but an alcantara-covered palm rest wouldn't hurt.

rvz 4y ago

Thank you for creating a very nice looking laptop that I am very confident at recommending to the average person. No need for screw-drivers for the basic of replaceable components, ports, etc. It is a genius swappable plug and play modules system and is as simple as plugging in a USB. I'm looking forward to the next iteration of the Framework Laptop.

mrgalaxy 4y ago

Is there any plan to add AMD CPUs to the Framework laptop? The 12th gen Intel chips are a huge improvement over previous generations, but my understanding is that AMD chips are of similar performance with better power usage and thermals. Edit: This may not be true anymore, anyone is free to correct me on this.

nullwarp 4y ago

Any plans for a larger say 15"ish version? I seem to be in the minority of people who think 16" is too big and 13" is too small.

znpy 4y ago

I'm seeing that some people are upgrading the motherboard and re-purposing the old one as a stand-alone desktop computer... Have you considered selling cases to be used with old revisions of the motherboard? I mean, I could buy the new motherboard and the case of the old one at the same time, it would make sense.

nrp 4y ago
We've released 3D-printable files for a case for the Mainboard: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard We've also seen some great community developed cases. We can't share any plans around commercial cases of our own, but we'd love to see third party ones come around.

mixmastamyk 4y ago

Put an order in a month ago. Can we expect it to arrive by Aug 15, first day of school? :-D

8note 4y ago

My killer device through covid wfh, and in general for software work has been the surface book, thanks to the touxh screen and great pen input to make quick diagrams. When can I get this from a framework laptop?

GrayShade 4y ago

If you ever make a larger model, will you please consider adding one more column of navigation keys (Home, End, Pg Up/Dn) and full-sized arrows? I find the split ones really uncomfortable to use. If you look at the 16" MBP, there's a bunch of empty space, but it still has the tiny arrows. I'm pretty disappointed in how most of the manufacturers followed Apple on this one.