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Jealousy is a deep, natural instinct. There are tons of studies that show how various kinds of monkeys/apes will happily eat a piece of fruit or whatever, but i

Jealousy is a deep, natural instinct. There are tons of studies that show how various kinds of monkeys/apes will happily eat a piece of fruit or whatever, but if you give the monkey next to them a piece of candy instead, the first monkey will go ape shit and never eat the fruit again. Many, many people think like this. I remember talking to a software engineer from MIT a while back, I don't even remember what we were talking about. But, I distinctly remember him expressing an attitude where someone else received something that he felt that he deserved, regardless of whether the other person deserved it also or not, and to him, this was just about the gravest injustice that he could imagine. He was like visibly angry clenching his teeth while talking about it. And it had nothing to do with whatever the thing was, hence why I can't remember it. To him it was a very deeply rooted idea of "fairness" defined in this sort of simple-minded, inflexible way. And he was ALL ABOUT removing the thing from the other person as opposed to trying to get compensated equally himself.

password4321 4y ago
So... give the benefit to everyone??
- PHGamer 4y ago
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  - aaronbrethorst 4y ago
    I too love having my boss's boot on my neck because communism doesn't work!
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    Giving everyone in the company a benefit like some days off doesn't work out in practice?
- tshaddox 4y ago
  And don’t forget other benefits like salary.
- bastardoperator 4y ago
  How can a multi-billion dollar company afford to let employees enjoy the holidays? /s
  - zrobotics 4y ago
    Especially because the period between Christmas and new years is the absolute lowest point of productivity. Giving everyone the holiday probably saves the company money, since then employees have the benefit of returning after the 1st refreshed. Every job I've had to work that period, the 25th through the 31st is absolutely dead and unproductive, since lots of coworkers burned their pto to take it off anyway and any external vendor is extremely unresponsive. Similar thing to anyone who deals with China, you just expect that nothing will get done over their new year celebrations and you build schedules appropriately. Salesforce could absolutely afford to do this, they already have a good example in house. Instead of doing something that would generate positive press, they've generated negative headlines and really pissed off the employees as slack twice (once now, and once again later this year around the holidays). What a classic short-sighted MBA brain move.
Schroedingersat 4y ago
Those experiments don't distinguish between jealousy and intolerance for injustice or unfairness from a third party. In the capuchin studies, given that they usually express their displeasure at the experimenter rather than the other monkey and also spontaneously share it's reasonable to view it as the latter. This whole crab bucket mentality of 'it's unfaaaiiir that minimum wages get raised' rather than fighting to get the benefit for everyone is a distinctly neoliberal and american mindset that you have to 'deserve' to survive or be comfortable.
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- runarberg 4y ago
  I usually take these monkey studies with a pinch of salt. It shouldn’t be to hard to conduct a similar study on humans, and the fact that we are only hearing about monkey studies makes me question whether the results can be generalized. It is not just that we are a different species and exhibit different behavior under same circumstances as monkeys, but also that the monkeys are kept under captivity all their lives which will profoundly alter their behavior (the same applies to humans).
throwawaysleep 4y ago
This is why I conceal/pretend to have a lower salary than I do. People claim that sharing salaries only benefits employers. No, it also benefits the people who will have to deal with colleague jealousy.
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- housedrafta 4y ago
  Doing the opposite works too. If there are people in your org you don't like, insinuate that you make a lot. Of course doing such a thing is incredibly petty and should only be reserved for special cases, as it were.
this_steve_j 4y ago
Studies, studies, every where, And nor the apes did think, Studies, studies, every where But naught to drop a link. Ah! well a-day! what evil looks Had I from old and young! Instead of lolz, the Albatross About my neck was hung.

password4321 4y ago

So... give the benefit to everyone??

PHGamer 4y ago
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- aaronbrethorst 4y ago
  I too love having my boss's boot on my neck because communism doesn't work!
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  Giving everyone in the company a benefit like some days off doesn't work out in practice?
tshaddox 4y ago
And don’t forget other benefits like salary.
bastardoperator 4y ago
How can a multi-billion dollar company afford to let employees enjoy the holidays? /s
- zrobotics 4y ago
  Especially because the period between Christmas and new years is the absolute lowest point of productivity. Giving everyone the holiday probably saves the company money, since then employees have the benefit of returning after the 1st refreshed. Every job I've had to work that period, the 25th through the 31st is absolutely dead and unproductive, since lots of coworkers burned their pto to take it off anyway and any external vendor is extremely unresponsive. Similar thing to anyone who deals with China, you just expect that nothing will get done over their new year celebrations and you build schedules appropriately. Salesforce could absolutely afford to do this, they already have a good example in house. Instead of doing something that would generate positive press, they've generated negative headlines and really pissed off the employees as slack twice (once now, and once again later this year around the holidays). What a classic short-sighted MBA brain move.

Schroedingersat 4y ago

Those experiments don't distinguish between jealousy and intolerance for injustice or unfairness from a third party. In the capuchin studies, given that they usually express their displeasure at the experimenter rather than the other monkey and also spontaneously share it's reasonable to view it as the latter. This whole crab bucket mentality of 'it's unfaaaiiir that minimum wages get raised' rather than fighting to get the benefit for everyone is a distinctly neoliberal and american mindset that you have to 'deserve' to survive or be comfortable.

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runarberg 4y ago
I usually take these monkey studies with a pinch of salt. It shouldn’t be to hard to conduct a similar study on humans, and the fact that we are only hearing about monkey studies makes me question whether the results can be generalized. It is not just that we are a different species and exhibit different behavior under same circumstances as monkeys, but also that the monkeys are kept under captivity all their lives which will profoundly alter their behavior (the same applies to humans).

throwawaysleep 4y ago

This is why I conceal/pretend to have a lower salary than I do. People claim that sharing salaries only benefits employers. No, it also benefits the people who will have to deal with colleague jealousy.

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housedrafta 4y ago
Doing the opposite works too. If there are people in your org you don't like, insinuate that you make a lot. Of course doing such a thing is incredibly petty and should only be reserved for special cases, as it were.

this_steve_j 4y ago

Studies, studies, every where, And nor the apes did think, Studies, studies, every where But naught to drop a link. Ah! well a-day! what evil looks Had I from old and young! Instead of lolz, the Albatross About my neck was hung.