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I’d like to see a fleet of autonomous small ships. Start with car carriers for expensive cars.

ZeroGravitas 4y ago
Part of the logic of current big ships is fuel efficiency. If fuel was much cheaper, (which is true for renewable energy) then more, smaller ships might make sense. If the crew could be automated, that further tips towards fleets of smaller ships. This then has knock on effects for variable delivery times (fast and expensive as well as slow and cheap) and the size of canals and ports, and dredging requirements which allows things to arrive closer to their final destination.
- electronWizard 4y ago
  I don't think most people appreciate how automated commercial vessels already are. The ship navigates autonomously from port to port. If you have a twenty man crew on a commercial vessel, they are split across two 12 hours shifts, you may only have one officer on the bridge during on watch, a few engineers below supervising the engines and performing preventative maintenance while underway, and able seamen will be doing the rounds checking nothing amiss such as loads moving etc. The crew are largely there to respond in the event of a crisis as commercial vessels are such an expensive asset. I think it's better to think of the crew doing underway asset management than "sailing" the vessel.
  - greenonions 4y ago
    If the automation is there, is there a reason why more container ships at least partially utilize wind for locomotion? Is it just that retrofitting a giant sail isn't feasible onto existing ships?
    - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
      Flettner Rotor sails appear to be becoming a thing, they partner well with electric ships, similar to how some electric planes use multiple propellers and EV automobiles can do independent 4 wheel drive. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotor_ship https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotor_ship Actually the analog to the all wheel thing might be: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azipod https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azipod
  - MrFantastic 4y ago
    Container ships witch ICE travel 20 knots/hr. Sail ships average 6 knots/hr and wind is less consistent. There are some companies working on Kites to reduce fuel consumption. https://www.airseas.com/seawing https://www.airseas.com/seawing
- newsclues 4y ago
  I forgot to mention sailboats, so zero fossil fuels.
nradov 4y ago
Watch standing can be automated to a limited extent, which will allow minor reductions in crew costs. But vessels making long ocean voyages out of easy reach from shore will still need human crew members to conduct repairs and maintenance while underway. And no, if a ship breaks down in the middle of the Pacific Ocean it's not feasible to fly engineers out in a helicopter to effect repairs.

Part of the logic of current big ships is fuel efficiency. If fuel was much cheaper, (which is true for renewable energy) then more, smaller ships might make sense. If the crew could be automated, that further tips towards fleets of smaller ships. This then has knock on effects for variable delivery times (fast and expensive as well as slow and cheap) and the size of canals and ports, and dredging requirements which allows things to arrive closer to their final destination.

electronWizard 4y ago
I don't think most people appreciate how automated commercial vessels already are. The ship navigates autonomously from port to port. If you have a twenty man crew on a commercial vessel, they are split across two 12 hours shifts, you may only have one officer on the bridge during on watch, a few engineers below supervising the engines and performing preventative maintenance while underway, and able seamen will be doing the rounds checking nothing amiss such as loads moving etc. The crew are largely there to respond in the event of a crisis as commercial vessels are such an expensive asset. I think it's better to think of the crew doing underway asset management than "sailing" the vessel.
- greenonions 4y ago
  If the automation is there, is there a reason why more container ships at least partially utilize wind for locomotion? Is it just that retrofitting a giant sail isn't feasible onto existing ships?
  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    Flettner Rotor sails appear to be becoming a thing, they partner well with electric ships, similar to how some electric planes use multiple propellers and EV automobiles can do independent 4 wheel drive. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotor_ship https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotor_ship Actually the analog to the all wheel thing might be: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azipod https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azipod
- MrFantastic 4y ago
  Container ships witch ICE travel 20 knots/hr. Sail ships average 6 knots/hr and wind is less consistent. There are some companies working on Kites to reduce fuel consumption. https://www.airseas.com/seawing https://www.airseas.com/seawing
newsclues 4y ago
I forgot to mention sailboats, so zero fossil fuels.

nradov 4y ago

Watch standing can be automated to a limited extent, which will allow minor reductions in crew costs. But vessels making long ocean voyages out of easy reach from shore will still need human crew members to conduct repairs and maintenance while underway. And no, if a ship breaks down in the middle of the Pacific Ocean it's not feasible to fly engineers out in a helicopter to effect repairs.