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Those ammo depots are not that far into Russian occupied territory. Do we even know if they have many S-X00s set up there, already? Also, Russian DoD or whateve

Those ammo depots are not that far into Russian occupied territory. Do we even know if they have many S-X00s set up there, already? Also, Russian DoD or whatever they're called has reported intercepting some of those HIMARS. Also, at the start of this, Ukraine had around 100 S-300s - which is one of the reason Russia has had a difficult time. Those are effective systems. And there's a reason the US made a big deal about Turkey purchasing S-400s.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> Do we even know if they have many S-X00s set up there, already? Their targeting is such shit they can’t avoid shooting down their own materiel. Russia’s menace is more akin to the Taliban than the USSR or China. A pest due to proximity.
- cpursley 4y ago
  Source?
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    Friendly fire is a thing even for US troops; 24% of US combat casualties in the first Gulf War were blue-on-blue. It's definitely happening in Ukraine. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1642804/Russia-weapons-Ukraine-Su-34-bomber-army-military-artillery-war-Putin-NATO-defence-vn https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1642804/Russia-weapons-... There have been signs Russia's struggling to organize air operations. https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/rusi-defence-systems/russian-air-force-actually-incapable-complex-air-operations/ https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/rusi-defe...
    - cpursley 4y ago
      ^ That's an old rusi post. Russia was not running a lot of air operations (other than choppers) in the beginning because Ukraine had 100 or so S-300 systems. Airplanes and pilots are expensive. But they've absolutely been ramping up air operations in the past several months. But in general, why send in a jet when a standoff missile will do the same job with less risk? This by Andrei Martyanov (who's a US citizen fwiw) is worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS7kaHzRNw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS7kaHzRNw
    - imtringued 4y ago
      Good thing we have the A-10 to prop up the friendly fire statistics.
bandyaboot 4y ago
The tiff with Turkiye over their purchasing of the S-400's had nothing to do with their being highly effective (they are). The issue that the US had was simply with a NATO ally purchasing Russian defense equipment. edit: respecting the Turks' rebrand, minus the special "u" character.
dragontamer 4y ago
> Do we even know if they have many S-X00s set up there, already? The alternative is that S-X00 systems are too expensive for Russians to deploy to protect their command posts and ammo dumps. Which... seems unlikely? I think its more likely that the Russian systems failed, rather than the Russian army being too cheap / incompetent to deploy them to important locations like that. ------ We also have the Moskova cruiser, which was using similar missile defense systems. Given that the Moskova sank vs a Ukrainian domestic cruise missile (the Neptune missile), we know its missile defense system was defeated by subsonic "normal" missiles. ------- I really don't know why we'd ever invest into hypersonics, at least against Russia. Its abundantly clear to me that their missile defenses just can't handle normal missiles, let alone saturation attacks or hypersonics or whatnot.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> Do we even know if they have many S-X00s set up there, already? Their targeting is such shit they can’t avoid shooting down their own materiel. Russia’s menace is more akin to the Taliban than the USSR or China. A pest due to proximity.

cpursley 4y ago
Source?
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  Friendly fire is a thing even for US troops; 24% of US combat casualties in the first Gulf War were blue-on-blue. It's definitely happening in Ukraine. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1642804/Russia-weapons-Ukraine-Su-34-bomber-army-military-artillery-war-Putin-NATO-defence-vn https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1642804/Russia-weapons-... There have been signs Russia's struggling to organize air operations. https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/rusi-defence-systems/russian-air-force-actually-incapable-complex-air-operations/ https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/rusi-defe...
  - cpursley 4y ago
    ^ That's an old rusi post. Russia was not running a lot of air operations (other than choppers) in the beginning because Ukraine had 100 or so S-300 systems. Airplanes and pilots are expensive. But they've absolutely been ramping up air operations in the past several months. But in general, why send in a jet when a standoff missile will do the same job with less risk? This by Andrei Martyanov (who's a US citizen fwiw) is worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS7kaHzRNw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS7kaHzRNw
  - imtringued 4y ago
    Good thing we have the A-10 to prop up the friendly fire statistics.

bandyaboot 4y ago

The tiff with Turkiye over their purchasing of the S-400's had nothing to do with their being highly effective (they are). The issue that the US had was simply with a NATO ally purchasing Russian defense equipment. edit: respecting the Turks' rebrand, minus the special "u" character.

dragontamer 4y ago

> Do we even know if they have many S-X00s set up there, already? The alternative is that S-X00 systems are too expensive for Russians to deploy to protect their command posts and ammo dumps. Which... seems unlikely? I think its more likely that the Russian systems failed, rather than the Russian army being too cheap / incompetent to deploy them to important locations like that. ------ We also have the Moskova cruiser, which was using similar missile defense systems. Given that the Moskova sank vs a Ukrainian domestic cruise missile (the Neptune missile), we know its missile defense system was defeated by subsonic "normal" missiles. ------- I really don't know why we'd ever invest into hypersonics, at least against Russia. Its abundantly clear to me that their missile defenses just can't handle normal missiles, let alone saturation attacks or hypersonics or whatnot.