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I'm always terrified that corporate will eventually decide to cut slack from the budget and stick with Teams.

by adzm 4y ago

partiallypro 4y ago
Why? In my experience Teams has generally been better than Slack. People complain about Team's speed but I can't even count how often Slack used to get hung on me.
- pmontra 4y ago
  It seems that it would be impossible to be signed in in multiple Teams of different customers https://feedbackportal.microsoft.com/feedback/idea/d256e0f6-262e-ec11-b6e6-00224827bbc2 https://feedbackportal.microsoft.com/feedback/idea/d256e0f6-... Hopefully my customers will keep using Slack.
  - andkenneth 4y ago
    The idea is you can be invited to a team in another tenant from your own account.
    - julianlam 4y ago
      ... and? In reality that's probably not how some not insignificant minority of Teams users access the service. I have clients that create external accounts for me under their domain. Once signed in, I can no longer sign into a different account, so my meeting with other clients have Company A in my email... kind of odd. Of course, I can't actually create a personal Teams account, because my company does not use Teams. So, I decided to burn everything MS Teams related out of my home directory, and start fresh. I am now a guest user for every company that needs calls done via Teams. Arguably a worse off solution, no?
      - lillecarl 4y ago
        You can run teams in a container with it's own home, it's a workaround but it does work. Assuming homedir is on a Linux machine.
        pmontra 4y ago
        So, three customers with Teams and three Teams instances? Luckily I have 32 GB of RAM. Maybe I should buy a laptop with 64 /grin
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  For me it's information retrieval. For some reason searching in teams will return my search text "Hey, where is the Controller located?", but I can't actually navigate to the message right after it, which is the answer.
  - albedoa 4y ago
    I can't wrap my head around the decision. There is a "go to message" button, which brings you to the exact message you were already looking at in the search results but still completely isolated from context.
    - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
      Exactly! It's strictly there to mock you. The only way you can find the message with the answer you're looking for is if you already have the answer.
    - Aeolun 4y ago
      Yeah, have to look at the date and then manually scroll back to that point in the conversation. I can’t imagine why someone would build that and then think “This is it. This is good enough.”
- NAHWheatCracker 4y ago
  I can't believe anyone would say that Teams is better than Slack. Almost everything about Slack is better. It's easier to manage conversations/channels. It's easier to read. It's easier to write. It's easier to customize. The only thing I've heard is that Slack is unstable for some people. I haven't experienced any stability issues in 3+ years using the MacOS app. I've heard that the Slack web interface may be the cause of stability issues. We have Slack in my organization, but corporate has started using Teams for the past year. I think the writing is on the wall, and I'm dreading it.
  - bastardoperator 4y ago
    Now do a cost benefit analysis. I'm willing to bet teams is free if you're buying other MSFT products. Personally, I'm not a fan of either and I'd take discord over either.
    - Aeolun 4y ago
      Just the lost goodwill among your less drony drones is probably worth the Slack subscription. It may sound silly, but “we use Slack instead of Teams” would not be insignificant in the consideration of whether to accept a new job.
- xcambar 4y ago
  I've witnessed firsthand that the main problem of Teams is that Slack is now so deeply wired into our daily working life that people cplain about Teams just because it differs from Slack. It doesn't even matter if the choices and ergonomics are better or worse... Since it's just not-Slack, it gets rejected by a certain (IMO quite large) share of the population.
  - whimsicalism 4y ago
    Teams legitimately crashes every single time I open it. The stability is just.... not up to professional working standards. My company tried to switch to Teams and there was practically an employee uprising... it now sticks to Teams for all non-eng while eng does Slack.
    - xcambar 4y ago
      > it now sticks to Teams for all non-eng while eng does Slack. Why did the other depts stick to Teams? Your comment seems to precisely prove my point, when reading it from my seat :D
      - whimsicalism 4y ago
        Lots of pressure from the top to use Teams for what one might call political reasons.
      - albedoa 4y ago
        > Why did the other depts stick to Teams? You misunderstand. They didn't have a say.
      - dijit 4y ago
        Other departments do what IT tell them, for the most part. eng usually knows about tech tools better than other departments. For programs: Ask the finance department about Sage and excel and they will have opinions.
  - ecshafer 4y ago
    I used Teams for several years before ever using slack. And honestly, Teams is hands down one of the absolute worst pieces of software I have ever used. Its slow, it has a terrible UI, it's clunky, it drops calls, uses tons of memory. Its absolute garbage. I've only used Slack for a few months and I think its lightyears better.
- flerchin 4y ago
  Default-open nature of channels combined with infinite retention and good search means that I can find the information from a conversation 3 years ago that's relevant to my current issue. The Ergo, for chat, is better than all the competitors. Main thing though is the default-open. If you don't get that, well that's ok, many people don't.
- caseysoftware 4y ago
  For Teams, I'm shocked when it works the first time I click it. Usually because I was signed into another group's Teams and happened to go back to that one. My bigger problem with teams is their multi-Team model. In between my current and last job, I (part time) contracted with a handful of groups and every single one added me to their Slack or Teams group. With Slack, they popped up as separate orgs and I could move between them as I needed. With Teams, I had to log out of one to open the other. I will never know how many questions I missed (aka billable hours) and people I annoyed by "ignoring" them when I had simply had to join some other group's Teams to take a call and forgot to come back to their Teams.
  - Kaze404 4y ago
    Seems like you got the good end of the stick wrt authentication. At least twice over the past year and a half my account got stuck in a login -> redirect -> logout loop for days. If I had to regularly log out of Teams I suspect this would manifest itself more often.
- Kaze404 4y ago
  Welp, I guess I have to say it for the 6th time (wonder when I'll stop counting). Teams on Linux is a complete nightmare, with the most egregious aspect being that it continues recording audio after you leave a meeting (which is easily proven by just joining a meeting, leaving and opening Pavucontrol). Someone recently mentioned to me in HN that disabling spacial meeting recognition or some crap like that fixes it, but I haven't been at my computer since to try it out. It's been like this for at least a year and a half, and I've submitted it through the "feedback form" countless times. Ps.: Interestingly enough, in Pavucontrol the application shows up as "Skype", with the icon and all.
AndrewUnmuted 4y ago
If I had to use either of these things as part of running my team of 12 engineers, I'd resign immediately. I feel so sorry for those who continue operating in such soulless, life-sucking work environments that they're down to choosing which horrible attention-grabbing SaaS product they'd rather use. Have you not considered simply using neither? What is wrong with email? Hell, what's wrong with a phone call?
- marcinzm 4y ago
  >Hell, what's wrong with a phone call? >attention-grabbing
  - AndrewUnmuted 4y ago
    Please, if you are going to reply to people here, please do so thoughtfully. Phones have had ring mute features on them since they went cordless back in the 1980s.
    - marcinzm 4y ago
      Playing phone tag stopped being fun decades ago once SMS came about which you probably don't approve of either.
      - AndrewUnmuted 4y ago
        There are annoying things about all aspects to life. Your solution is to add more and more annoying things unnecessarily in an effort to side-step the problem. I think there should be an examination of the root causes and more post-mortems to actually understand what went wrong and why the solution didn't work either. You want to keep piling on in a rather psychopathic manner: Phone tag --> SMS --> Email --> AIM --> MySpace --> Facebook --> Twitter --> Instagram --> Snapchat --> TikTok --> ??????? You even do this in other posts, defending the idea of the suicide prevention hotline before even discussing wtf might be causing people to be suicidal. [0] People like you are why we are rapidly shedding any semblance of progress in the Western world. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32121231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32121231
jjtheblunt 4y ago
that's interesting : Teams has worked far better for us
Aeolun 4y ago
Been there (still am). Slack was not integrated with SSO, so the logical solution (instead of integrating it) was of course to drop it entirely.
Multicomp 4y ago
One of the few silver linings I can look forward to when my company forcibly drops Office 365 for Google workspace. But it may be my luck that they chop out Slack to make us use Google Chat etc, we shall find out... (nods gravely)
- deleted 4y ago
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- batiudrami 4y ago
  Teams is bad but it isn’t nearly as bad as needing to use Google Docs over Office in the workplace.

I'm always terrified that corporate will eventually decide to cut slack from the budget and stick with Teams.

by adzm 4y ago

I'm always terrified that corporate will eventually decide to cut slack from the budget and stick with Teams.

Why? In my experience Teams has generally been better than Slack. People complain about Team's speed but I can't even count how often Slack used to get hung on me.

pmontra 4y ago
It seems that it would be impossible to be signed in in multiple Teams of different customers https://feedbackportal.microsoft.com/feedback/idea/d256e0f6-262e-ec11-b6e6-00224827bbc2 https://feedbackportal.microsoft.com/feedback/idea/d256e0f6-... Hopefully my customers will keep using Slack.
- andkenneth 4y ago
  The idea is you can be invited to a team in another tenant from your own account.
  - julianlam 4y ago
    ... and? In reality that's probably not how some not insignificant minority of Teams users access the service. I have clients that create external accounts for me under their domain. Once signed in, I can no longer sign into a different account, so my meeting with other clients have Company A in my email... kind of odd. Of course, I can't actually create a personal Teams account, because my company does not use Teams. So, I decided to burn everything MS Teams related out of my home directory, and start fresh. I am now a guest user for every company that needs calls done via Teams. Arguably a worse off solution, no?
    - lillecarl 4y ago
      You can run teams in a container with it's own home, it's a workaround but it does work. Assuming homedir is on a Linux machine.
      - pmontra 4y ago
        So, three customers with Teams and three Teams instances? Luckily I have 32 GB of RAM. Maybe I should buy a laptop with 64 /grin
SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
For me it's information retrieval. For some reason searching in teams will return my search text "Hey, where is the Controller located?", but I can't actually navigate to the message right after it, which is the answer.
- albedoa 4y ago
  I can't wrap my head around the decision. There is a "go to message" button, which brings you to the exact message you were already looking at in the search results but still completely isolated from context.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    Exactly! It's strictly there to mock you. The only way you can find the message with the answer you're looking for is if you already have the answer.
  - Aeolun 4y ago
    Yeah, have to look at the date and then manually scroll back to that point in the conversation. I can’t imagine why someone would build that and then think “This is it. This is good enough.”
NAHWheatCracker 4y ago
I can't believe anyone would say that Teams is better than Slack. Almost everything about Slack is better. It's easier to manage conversations/channels. It's easier to read. It's easier to write. It's easier to customize. The only thing I've heard is that Slack is unstable for some people. I haven't experienced any stability issues in 3+ years using the MacOS app. I've heard that the Slack web interface may be the cause of stability issues. We have Slack in my organization, but corporate has started using Teams for the past year. I think the writing is on the wall, and I'm dreading it.
- bastardoperator 4y ago
  Now do a cost benefit analysis. I'm willing to bet teams is free if you're buying other MSFT products. Personally, I'm not a fan of either and I'd take discord over either.
  - Aeolun 4y ago
    Just the lost goodwill among your less drony drones is probably worth the Slack subscription. It may sound silly, but “we use Slack instead of Teams” would not be insignificant in the consideration of whether to accept a new job.
xcambar 4y ago
I've witnessed firsthand that the main problem of Teams is that Slack is now so deeply wired into our daily working life that people cplain about Teams just because it differs from Slack. It doesn't even matter if the choices and ergonomics are better or worse... Since it's just not-Slack, it gets rejected by a certain (IMO quite large) share of the population.
- whimsicalism 4y ago
  Teams legitimately crashes every single time I open it. The stability is just.... not up to professional working standards. My company tried to switch to Teams and there was practically an employee uprising... it now sticks to Teams for all non-eng while eng does Slack.
  - xcambar 4y ago
    > it now sticks to Teams for all non-eng while eng does Slack. Why did the other depts stick to Teams? Your comment seems to precisely prove my point, when reading it from my seat :D
    - whimsicalism 4y ago
      Lots of pressure from the top to use Teams for what one might call political reasons.
    - albedoa 4y ago
      > Why did the other depts stick to Teams? You misunderstand. They didn't have a say.
    - dijit 4y ago
      Other departments do what IT tell them, for the most part. eng usually knows about tech tools better than other departments. For programs: Ask the finance department about Sage and excel and they will have opinions.
- ecshafer 4y ago
  I used Teams for several years before ever using slack. And honestly, Teams is hands down one of the absolute worst pieces of software I have ever used. Its slow, it has a terrible UI, it's clunky, it drops calls, uses tons of memory. Its absolute garbage. I've only used Slack for a few months and I think its lightyears better.
flerchin 4y ago
Default-open nature of channels combined with infinite retention and good search means that I can find the information from a conversation 3 years ago that's relevant to my current issue. The Ergo, for chat, is better than all the competitors. Main thing though is the default-open. If you don't get that, well that's ok, many people don't.
caseysoftware 4y ago
For Teams, I'm shocked when it works the first time I click it. Usually because I was signed into another group's Teams and happened to go back to that one. My bigger problem with teams is their multi-Team model. In between my current and last job, I (part time) contracted with a handful of groups and every single one added me to their Slack or Teams group. With Slack, they popped up as separate orgs and I could move between them as I needed. With Teams, I had to log out of one to open the other. I will never know how many questions I missed (aka billable hours) and people I annoyed by "ignoring" them when I had simply had to join some other group's Teams to take a call and forgot to come back to their Teams.
- Kaze404 4y ago
  Seems like you got the good end of the stick wrt authentication. At least twice over the past year and a half my account got stuck in a login -> redirect -> logout loop for days. If I had to regularly log out of Teams I suspect this would manifest itself more often.
Kaze404 4y ago
Welp, I guess I have to say it for the 6th time (wonder when I'll stop counting). Teams on Linux is a complete nightmare, with the most egregious aspect being that it continues recording audio after you leave a meeting (which is easily proven by just joining a meeting, leaving and opening Pavucontrol). Someone recently mentioned to me in HN that disabling spacial meeting recognition or some crap like that fixes it, but I haven't been at my computer since to try it out. It's been like this for at least a year and a half, and I've submitted it through the "feedback form" countless times. Ps.: Interestingly enough, in Pavucontrol the application shows up as "Skype", with the icon and all.

AndrewUnmuted 4y ago

If I had to use either of these things as part of running my team of 12 engineers, I'd resign immediately. I feel so sorry for those who continue operating in such soulless, life-sucking work environments that they're down to choosing which horrible attention-grabbing SaaS product they'd rather use. Have you not considered simply using neither? What is wrong with email? Hell, what's wrong with a phone call?

marcinzm 4y ago
>Hell, what's wrong with a phone call? >attention-grabbing
- AndrewUnmuted 4y ago
  Please, if you are going to reply to people here, please do so thoughtfully. Phones have had ring mute features on them since they went cordless back in the 1980s.
  - marcinzm 4y ago
    Playing phone tag stopped being fun decades ago once SMS came about which you probably don't approve of either.
    - AndrewUnmuted 4y ago
      There are annoying things about all aspects to life. Your solution is to add more and more annoying things unnecessarily in an effort to side-step the problem. I think there should be an examination of the root causes and more post-mortems to actually understand what went wrong and why the solution didn't work either. You want to keep piling on in a rather psychopathic manner: Phone tag --> SMS --> Email --> AIM --> MySpace --> Facebook --> Twitter --> Instagram --> Snapchat --> TikTok --> ??????? You even do this in other posts, defending the idea of the suicide prevention hotline before even discussing wtf might be causing people to be suicidal. [0] People like you are why we are rapidly shedding any semblance of progress in the Western world. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32121231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32121231

jjtheblunt 4y ago

that's interesting : Teams has worked far better for us

Aeolun 4y ago

Been there (still am). Slack was not integrated with SSO, so the logical solution (instead of integrating it) was of course to drop it entirely.

Multicomp 4y ago

One of the few silver linings I can look forward to when my company forcibly drops Office 365 for Google workspace. But it may be my luck that they chop out Slack to make us use Google Chat etc, we shall find out... (nods gravely)

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batiudrami 4y ago
Teams is bad but it isn’t nearly as bad as needing to use Google Docs over Office in the workplace.