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Visual Code, I guess obviously. Has mostly overtaken both Emacs and Vim.

rlpb 4y ago
Overtaken how? Download size? Startup time? Ubiquitous availability? Number of kernel hackers who use it as their daily driver? What's your metric?
- jshzglr 4y ago
  Relax and open your eyes.
- wruza 4y ago
  Not a fan of vscode (or emacs, which it “has overtaken”, not vim), but I think it fits OP’s first paragraph.
- darthrupert 4y ago
  Popularity, features, quality. I still use Emacs myself but I'm not fucking blind.
- worthless-trash 4y ago
  Memory usage and CPU time ! Heyooo!
  - jhbadger 4y ago
    I remember when Emacs was viewed as requiring a lot of resources (in the early 1990s) and I remember the sysadmin of our shared UNIX system scolding us if we had more than one emacs process running (as opposed to opening multiple files in different buffers).
    - groovy2shoes 4y ago
      The old joke was that EMACS stood for Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping. Of course, eight megs is nothing these days.
ipaddr 4y ago
That's like saying the phone has overtaken the horse. I doubt many people sshing into a box using vim will choose visual code. There might have been some people using vim for daily development who switched but probably not many
- nnoitra 4y ago
  Really? Did you miss the part where both of them are editors?
  - ipaddr 4y ago
    Are you opening visual code in your putty session to edit a config variable? They are as similiar as word and pico.
    - nnoitra 4y ago
      No, but that's for basic text editing only. Anything more serious and you spending 2 hours per 6 hour development time configuring vim.
      - Vijayvithal 4y ago
        You configure Vim Daily? For every Task? Wow! I have once .vimrc configured for all the languages that I use/know. Whenever I work with a new client. I pull that .vimrc on the allocated machine. Run PluginInstall and in minutes I am ready to go!
      - 5e92cb50239222b 4y ago
        I would claim the opposite — VSCode is nearly unusable without very heavy customization unless you're fine with being very inefficient. Hotkeys for many common operations are not assigned out of the box. Without that, using it involves driving the interface with both the mouse and the keyboard. Those that are assigned are awkward and look like they've been designed for a spider since they require you to reach keys on the opposite sides of the keyboard. I always get the feeling that its own authors don't use it for anything more complicated than editing /etc/hosts, although it's quite obviously not true.
GrollingGrakbor 4y ago
I've been using VSCode kinda on and off, but I haven't learned it properly yet. Do you think it's truly worth it? It seems to me like you'd use it mainly when you don't have access to a full IDE, so I haven't really found a niche yet.
- anonuser123456 4y ago
  VSCode is magical in my experience. I say this as a 20 year emacs user, and 10 year Vim user.
  - Vijayvithal 4y ago
    VSCode is good. But it is a memory hog compared to Vim. I need that memory for my compile/simulate tasks.
    - worthless-trash 4y ago
      I wish someone could show me actual repl work in vscode for a lisp or erlang. It sometimes gets the way there, but doesn't to make it. I think the plugin writers are either shoe-horned by VCCodes lack of plugin capability or they are basing their work off some other toolings expected behavior and it doesn't "sit right" with how I work.

rlpb 4y ago

Overtaken how? Download size? Startup time? Ubiquitous availability? Number of kernel hackers who use it as their daily driver? What's your metric?

jshzglr 4y ago
Relax and open your eyes.
wruza 4y ago
Not a fan of vscode (or emacs, which it “has overtaken”, not vim), but I think it fits OP’s first paragraph.
darthrupert 4y ago
Popularity, features, quality. I still use Emacs myself but I'm not fucking blind.
worthless-trash 4y ago
Memory usage and CPU time ! Heyooo!
- jhbadger 4y ago
  I remember when Emacs was viewed as requiring a lot of resources (in the early 1990s) and I remember the sysadmin of our shared UNIX system scolding us if we had more than one emacs process running (as opposed to opening multiple files in different buffers).
  - groovy2shoes 4y ago
    The old joke was that EMACS stood for Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping. Of course, eight megs is nothing these days.

ipaddr 4y ago

That's like saying the phone has overtaken the horse. I doubt many people sshing into a box using vim will choose visual code. There might have been some people using vim for daily development who switched but probably not many

nnoitra 4y ago
Really? Did you miss the part where both of them are editors?
- ipaddr 4y ago
  Are you opening visual code in your putty session to edit a config variable? They are as similiar as word and pico.
  - nnoitra 4y ago
    No, but that's for basic text editing only. Anything more serious and you spending 2 hours per 6 hour development time configuring vim.
    - Vijayvithal 4y ago
      You configure Vim Daily? For every Task? Wow! I have once .vimrc configured for all the languages that I use/know. Whenever I work with a new client. I pull that .vimrc on the allocated machine. Run PluginInstall and in minutes I am ready to go!
    - 5e92cb50239222b 4y ago
      I would claim the opposite — VSCode is nearly unusable without very heavy customization unless you're fine with being very inefficient. Hotkeys for many common operations are not assigned out of the box. Without that, using it involves driving the interface with both the mouse and the keyboard. Those that are assigned are awkward and look like they've been designed for a spider since they require you to reach keys on the opposite sides of the keyboard. I always get the feeling that its own authors don't use it for anything more complicated than editing /etc/hosts, although it's quite obviously not true.

GrollingGrakbor 4y ago

I've been using VSCode kinda on and off, but I haven't learned it properly yet. Do you think it's truly worth it? It seems to me like you'd use it mainly when you don't have access to a full IDE, so I haven't really found a niche yet.

anonuser123456 4y ago
VSCode is magical in my experience. I say this as a 20 year emacs user, and 10 year Vim user.
- Vijayvithal 4y ago
  VSCode is good. But it is a memory hog compared to Vim. I need that memory for my compile/simulate tasks.
  - worthless-trash 4y ago
    I wish someone could show me actual repl work in vscode for a lisp or erlang. It sometimes gets the way there, but doesn't to make it. I think the plugin writers are either shoe-horned by VCCodes lack of plugin capability or they are basing their work off some other toolings expected behavior and it doesn't "sit right" with how I work.