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...and the American people would be correct. We've belatedly come to realise that 'the news' is not the neutral reporting of events but rather the manufacture

...and the American people would be correct. We've belatedly come to realise that 'the news' is not the neutral reporting of events but rather the manufacture of information products for commercial or political gain, most preferably for the oligarchical media owners, both. We need a new revenue model, new ownership model of news media, before we can trust again what has been piped into our eyes and ears

throwaway0a5e 4y ago
Broad consumer sentiment lags reality by a decade or thereabouts. We're seeing people wise up to changes that happened in the journalism profession in the late '00s and early 10s.
no-dr-onboard 4y ago
Darryl Cooper spoke about this in an earlier episode of The Unraveling[1]. The thesis of the episode was something along the lines of "If you pull the thread behind "honest journalism", you'll find that the US has been cultured to being told what to think since the days of Dan Rather and Walter Cronkite." When we consider the current state of journalism we should check the presupposition that we ever had a "free and functional press". I can't remember a time, nor can I find evidence, that it ever truly existed without some sort of circumstantial asterisks polluting the results. 1. https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9kZWZjb3J0aGV0aHJlYWQubGlic3luLmNvbS9yc3M/episode/NjAyZmUyNzItYzBlOS00MDM4LTg4ZmItMjFhY2Q0YTgwM2I3?sa=X&ved=0CAUQkfYCahcKEwj45Y-G6oL5AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9kZWZjb3J0aGV0aHJ...
- mythrwy 4y ago
  Yes I agree. We didn't have a way to know before so there was an agreed up set of "facts" (which often were not upon closer inspection). The internet has laid waste to that scheme. But not sure the facts have gotten any more factual in sum.
  - kevwil 4y ago
    Well said.
- AnimalMuppet 4y ago
  Walter Cronkite came closer to "the truth" than modern "journalism" does. He wasn't perfect, he had his own narrative, but he believed in objectivity, and he tried to reach it. He may have failed, but by trying, he came closer to reaching it than the current generation. There was a managing editor of the New York Times. He knew that his reporters leaned somewhat left, so he steered the editorial slant of the paper somewhat right to balance. They literally put "He kept the paper straight" on his tombstone. Today the Times comes rather short of that standard.
cyanydeez 4y ago
Eh, has more to do with one large national chain openly fomenting disdain for democracy. No one can take on media bias in a serious fashion without discussing Fox news and it's kin. Vaguely handwaving is in bad faith.
- pxmpxm 4y ago
  That take is far more of a Rorschach of your views than anything to do with the topic on hand.

throwaway0a5e 4y ago

Broad consumer sentiment lags reality by a decade or thereabouts. We're seeing people wise up to changes that happened in the journalism profession in the late '00s and early 10s.

no-dr-onboard 4y ago

Darryl Cooper spoke about this in an earlier episode of The Unraveling[1]. The thesis of the episode was something along the lines of "If you pull the thread behind "honest journalism", you'll find that the US has been cultured to being told what to think since the days of Dan Rather and Walter Cronkite." When we consider the current state of journalism we should check the presupposition that we ever had a "free and functional press". I can't remember a time, nor can I find evidence, that it ever truly existed without some sort of circumstantial asterisks polluting the results. 1. https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9kZWZjb3J0aGV0aHJlYWQubGlic3luLmNvbS9yc3M/episode/NjAyZmUyNzItYzBlOS00MDM4LTg4ZmItMjFhY2Q0YTgwM2I3?sa=X&ved=0CAUQkfYCahcKEwj45Y-G6oL5AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9kZWZjb3J0aGV0aHJ...

mythrwy 4y ago
Yes I agree. We didn't have a way to know before so there was an agreed up set of "facts" (which often were not upon closer inspection). The internet has laid waste to that scheme. But not sure the facts have gotten any more factual in sum.
- kevwil 4y ago
  Well said.
AnimalMuppet 4y ago
Walter Cronkite came closer to "the truth" than modern "journalism" does. He wasn't perfect, he had his own narrative, but he believed in objectivity, and he tried to reach it. He may have failed, but by trying, he came closer to reaching it than the current generation. There was a managing editor of the New York Times. He knew that his reporters leaned somewhat left, so he steered the editorial slant of the paper somewhat right to balance. They literally put "He kept the paper straight" on his tombstone. Today the Times comes rather short of that standard.

cyanydeez 4y ago

Eh, has more to do with one large national chain openly fomenting disdain for democracy. No one can take on media bias in a serious fashion without discussing Fox news and it's kin. Vaguely handwaving is in bad faith.

pxmpxm 4y ago
That take is far more of a Rorschach of your views than anything to do with the topic on hand.