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> FAANG contracts typically include a clause that the company owns any work done in your free time Is this for real?? What a dystopian hell hole. It's called "

> FAANG contracts typically include a clause that the company owns any work done in your free time Is this for real?? What a dystopian hell hole. It's called "free time". Do you need to purchase from the company store and live in their approved housing as well? And you constantly bemoan unions here, looks like you could need someone helping you out with worker's rights..

capitalsigma 4y ago
Do you think it would be ethical for someone to work on search ranking at Google and moonlight doing SEO work? Would it be ethical for this person to implement a search ranking algorithm in their spare time and license it out to competitors? What if they don't work on ranking themselves, but they spend their spare time reading through the ranking codebase, which they have access to for some legitimate business reason (say, doing large scale refactors)?
- matsemann 4y ago
  That's a straw man, though, as the clause stated any work, not competing work.
- stevewatson301 4y ago
  There’s a thing called “conflict of interest” and it’s only a problem under specific circumstances.
- brundolf 4y ago
  Noncompetes are their own well-defined clause; the IP/inventions clause is a totally separate thing, and the unqualified version is totally unjustifiable, they just throw in there because they can
drstewart 4y ago
> looks like you could need someone helping you out with worker's rights.. Let's see it do something for European SWE salaries first. Oslo: just as expensive as SF @ 1/3 the salary. I guess there's a reason you want the right to moonlight in the evenings...
- matsemann 4y ago
  Meh, a developer in Oslo have no problems with money. I'd rather our teachers, nurses etc got paid more before I do.
  - drstewart 4y ago
    Yeah, I'm sure that money you're getting shorted is going to teachers instead of the owners pockets.
    - matsemann 4y ago
      As someone working on government projects for most of my career, I don't think the "owners" pocket that much, really. Would I like to make more money? Yes! Do I think I would be happier somewhere else? Probably not! I like living in a "flat" society where most people are treated well. If anything, if it wasn't for that, I probably wouldn't have been able to have the career I now have.
brundolf 4y ago
It's common for non-FAANGs too. I make it a hard rule that I won't take a job with one of those clauses, but it's often in there by default, which means I either convince them to do a carve-out or turn down the offer. Whether it's a deal-breaker for you or not, make sure you read what you sign
krageon 4y ago
No it's not real, this is something internet people tell each other in the absolute absence of any practical knowledge.

capitalsigma 4y ago

Do you think it would be ethical for someone to work on search ranking at Google and moonlight doing SEO work? Would it be ethical for this person to implement a search ranking algorithm in their spare time and license it out to competitors? What if they don't work on ranking themselves, but they spend their spare time reading through the ranking codebase, which they have access to for some legitimate business reason (say, doing large scale refactors)?

matsemann 4y ago
That's a straw man, though, as the clause stated any work, not competing work.
stevewatson301 4y ago
There’s a thing called “conflict of interest” and it’s only a problem under specific circumstances.
brundolf 4y ago
Noncompetes are their own well-defined clause; the IP/inventions clause is a totally separate thing, and the unqualified version is totally unjustifiable, they just throw in there because they can

drstewart 4y ago

> looks like you could need someone helping you out with worker's rights.. Let's see it do something for European SWE salaries first. Oslo: just as expensive as SF @ 1/3 the salary. I guess there's a reason you want the right to moonlight in the evenings...

matsemann 4y ago
Meh, a developer in Oslo have no problems with money. I'd rather our teachers, nurses etc got paid more before I do.
- drstewart 4y ago
  Yeah, I'm sure that money you're getting shorted is going to teachers instead of the owners pockets.
  - matsemann 4y ago
    As someone working on government projects for most of my career, I don't think the "owners" pocket that much, really. Would I like to make more money? Yes! Do I think I would be happier somewhere else? Probably not! I like living in a "flat" society where most people are treated well. If anything, if it wasn't for that, I probably wouldn't have been able to have the career I now have.

brundolf 4y ago

It's common for non-FAANGs too. I make it a hard rule that I won't take a job with one of those clauses, but it's often in there by default, which means I either convince them to do a carve-out or turn down the offer. Whether it's a deal-breaker for you or not, make sure you read what you sign

krageon 4y ago

No it's not real, this is something internet people tell each other in the absolute absence of any practical knowledge.