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A liberal party is impossible in the US political system at the moment. The rural areas are strongly advantaged by design, and have a strong conservative lean.

A liberal party is impossible in the US political system at the moment. The rural areas are strongly advantaged by design, and have a strong conservative lean. Unsurprisingly, the Democrats are already basically a moderate party.

IndoorPatio 4y ago
Yes, democrats span center-left to center-right. If one is looking for a "centrist" or "moderate" political party in the US, it is the democratic party.
- andy-x 4y ago
  This is pure BS. The self-appointed progessives/wokes are not moderate or centrist in any way, but they have huge influence over Democrats' policy. And they will be responsible for the Democrats' losses in the following years.
salawat 4y ago
One's "advantaged by design" is another's "what you want doesn't work here". Different ways for different slices of life. Who'd'a thunk it?
- nitwit005 4y ago
  No. They deliberately set up the constitution to favor the less populous states, and state constitutions largely did the same. If you actually poll people on individual issues, rural people often agree with the Democrats. The parties aren't particularly representative of people's underlying opinions.
  - kcplate 4y ago
    The problem is with those polling questions that support Democratic Party issues is they are generally describing significantly softer positions than the democrats actual positions. Abortion is a good example. A majority of people when polled, will agree with abortion access being important. However, that support falls apart if you caveat the question “to provide access beyond the age of fetal viability and possibly all the way up to birth”. This is the Democratic Party’s actual position. Prior to viability, there might be majority support, but post viability and up to birth people are about 75-90% against.
    - hellisothers 4y ago
      I never ask for sources but 75-90%? This doesn’t seem likely short of cherry picking.
      - kcplate 4y ago
        This link below. Look at the statistics related to this question: Thinking more generally, do you think abortion should generally be legal or generally illegal during each of the following stages of pregnancy. Then compare those stats to this question: With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life? A majority identify as pro-choice, but apparently do not believe that choice should extend past the 3 months of pregnancy. https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx
      - 1123581321 4y ago
        There are a lot of ways to slice those statistics. I’m guessing they got theirs from “Most Americans open to some restrictions on abortion” in the Pew data. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abo...
        bradlys 4y ago
        The other issue is that most Americans also don’t know anything about abortion. They have opinions about things they know nothing about - when confronted and informed they turn out to be even more left leaning than initially thought. They think people abort fetuses at 8 months because they’re feeling frisky - like women suddenly have regrets after carrying something in them after six months and only decide then to abort. Most people in the USA have brain rot and are incredibly uninformed and stupid.
        kcplate 4y ago
        > They think people abort fetuses at 8 months because they’re feeling frisky - like women suddenly have regrets after carrying something in them after six months and only decide then to abort. No, I don’t think that is the case, its not that people believe that it is common, the issue is that the Democratic Party has stated that they want women to have that ability to make that choice all the way to birth. That position is a disconnect with the electorate. Majority of the populace wants elective choice up to 3 months, then it falls off dramatically. https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

IndoorPatio 4y ago

Yes, democrats span center-left to center-right. If one is looking for a "centrist" or "moderate" political party in the US, it is the democratic party.

andy-x 4y ago
This is pure BS. The self-appointed progessives/wokes are not moderate or centrist in any way, but they have huge influence over Democrats' policy. And they will be responsible for the Democrats' losses in the following years.

salawat 4y ago

One's "advantaged by design" is another's "what you want doesn't work here". Different ways for different slices of life. Who'd'a thunk it?

nitwit005 4y ago
No. They deliberately set up the constitution to favor the less populous states, and state constitutions largely did the same. If you actually poll people on individual issues, rural people often agree with the Democrats. The parties aren't particularly representative of people's underlying opinions.
- kcplate 4y ago
  The problem is with those polling questions that support Democratic Party issues is they are generally describing significantly softer positions than the democrats actual positions. Abortion is a good example. A majority of people when polled, will agree with abortion access being important. However, that support falls apart if you caveat the question “to provide access beyond the age of fetal viability and possibly all the way up to birth”. This is the Democratic Party’s actual position. Prior to viability, there might be majority support, but post viability and up to birth people are about 75-90% against.
  - hellisothers 4y ago
    I never ask for sources but 75-90%? This doesn’t seem likely short of cherry picking.
    - kcplate 4y ago
      This link below. Look at the statistics related to this question: Thinking more generally, do you think abortion should generally be legal or generally illegal during each of the following stages of pregnancy. Then compare those stats to this question: With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life? A majority identify as pro-choice, but apparently do not believe that choice should extend past the 3 months of pregnancy. https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx
    - 1123581321 4y ago
      There are a lot of ways to slice those statistics. I’m guessing they got theirs from “Most Americans open to some restrictions on abortion” in the Pew data. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abo...
      - bradlys 4y ago
        The other issue is that most Americans also don’t know anything about abortion. They have opinions about things they know nothing about - when confronted and informed they turn out to be even more left leaning than initially thought. They think people abort fetuses at 8 months because they’re feeling frisky - like women suddenly have regrets after carrying something in them after six months and only decide then to abort. Most people in the USA have brain rot and are incredibly uninformed and stupid.
        kcplate 4y ago
        > They think people abort fetuses at 8 months because they’re feeling frisky - like women suddenly have regrets after carrying something in them after six months and only decide then to abort. No, I don’t think that is the case, its not that people believe that it is common, the issue is that the Democratic Party has stated that they want women to have that ability to make that choice all the way to birth. That position is a disconnect with the electorate. Majority of the populace wants elective choice up to 3 months, then it falls off dramatically. https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx