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>aspiring elites who viewed themselves as oppressed losers out of a misguided sense of entitlement. Yep, sounds like the disaffected white males who kill other

>aspiring elites who viewed themselves as oppressed losers out of a misguided sense of entitlement. Yep, sounds like the disaffected white males who kill others or themselves in droves, despite often having better conditions than (less aspirant/entitled) non-white males.

claytongulick 4y ago
If you honestly reflect on your comment, do you see anything wrong with it? When I read it, I got very angry at what I perceive to be pointed racism. But I'd like to try to step away from that and instead of lashing out, to understand your perspective more. Would you mind explaining your thinking a bit more?
- scifibestfi 4y ago
  It's just racism. You're not missing anything; there's nothing more to it.
- sealeck 4y ago
  The point being made (as I understand it) is that given that it is true (if you believe the national statistical authorities of the relevant western countries) that young white men are often substantially better off than young men of colour (even when controlling for all non-ethnicity relating factors), it is perhaps unexpected that the suicide rates for those groups would be higher. Adopting the principle of charity, I think we can assume that the original poster does not mean to in any way minimise the plight of desperate people who are suffering from mental health conditions. Instead, I think it is an interesting question as to why suicide rates are so much higher (and at least in the UK this is not an exaggeration - see e.g. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/mortalityfromleadingcausesofdeathbyethnicgroupenglandandwales/2012to2019/#other-causes-of-death https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...) than those of groups whose material circumstances are worse. p.s. I am aware that suicide is not a function solely of material circumstance (and material circumstance relative to other people's)
mbg721 4y ago
So...despair to the point of suicide is a marker of racial privilege??
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claytongulick 4y ago

If you honestly reflect on your comment, do you see anything wrong with it? When I read it, I got very angry at what I perceive to be pointed racism. But I'd like to try to step away from that and instead of lashing out, to understand your perspective more. Would you mind explaining your thinking a bit more?

scifibestfi 4y ago
It's just racism. You're not missing anything; there's nothing more to it.
sealeck 4y ago
The point being made (as I understand it) is that given that it is true (if you believe the national statistical authorities of the relevant western countries) that young white men are often substantially better off than young men of colour (even when controlling for all non-ethnicity relating factors), it is perhaps unexpected that the suicide rates for those groups would be higher. Adopting the principle of charity, I think we can assume that the original poster does not mean to in any way minimise the plight of desperate people who are suffering from mental health conditions. Instead, I think it is an interesting question as to why suicide rates are so much higher (and at least in the UK this is not an exaggeration - see e.g. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/mortalityfromleadingcausesofdeathbyethnicgroupenglandandwales/2012to2019/#other-causes-of-death https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...) than those of groups whose material circumstances are worse. p.s. I am aware that suicide is not a function solely of material circumstance (and material circumstance relative to other people's)

mbg721 4y ago

So...despair to the point of suicide is a marker of racial privilege??

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