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Consumption and purchase of music are different things. The culture has not stopped. The kids just aren't paying. Thier parents are paying for easy access to

Consumption and purchase of music are different things. The culture has not stopped. The kids just aren't paying. Thier parents are paying for easy access to Queen songs. The kids get thier music elsewhere.

aikah 4y ago
Yet all the summer music festivals are packed, sold out within minutes. It's just that the kids value live experience more than they value mp3 or Spotify.
jmeister 4y ago
Can you please tell us older ones where the kids are getting their music these days? When I was young I used torrents and filesharing between friends or local networks.
- Someone1234 4y ago
  YouTube (and TikTok to a certain extent).
  - coldpie 4y ago
    Definitely TikTok, and Instagram as well. Yes, really, there's a huge independent musician community on Instagram.
  - Victerius 4y ago
    Seconding YouTube.
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- hobo_mark 4y ago
  No so young anymore, but I listen to SoundCloud at least 50 hours per week (after heavily curating who I follow and writing my own SoundCloud frontend to make the site usable, fwiw). In fact most artists I follow do not publish anywhere else, except maybe Bandcamp (whose usability is even worse). ps: to any SoundCloud pm listening, I would have gladly paid for a purely linear timeline of my follows that remembers its position across devices, but no I had to build it myself.
  - elevaet 4y ago
    > Bandcamp (whose usability is even worse). I guess this is a matter of taste. Personally I find Bandcamp super usable. It's one of the gems of the internet if you ask me, up there with HN. There's so much amazing independent music on BC and the revenue cut for artists is extremely fair. Money spent there is well spent.
    - hobo_mark 4y ago
      All extremely true, but the damn friction when buying tracks there... (jwz put it best [1]) > If I put 6 albums in my cart and check out, you make me enter my credit card info SIX TIMES. This is insane. You realize this is insane, don't you? > You have used Amazon, right? Click once, receive candy. You need to be like that. (Maybe they fixed it? Haven't bought multiple items at once in a while) Also I would gladly pay for SoundCloud if most of the money actually went to the artists (if any SC pm is still listening). [1] https://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/10/shouting-into-the-void-this-time-bandcamp/ https://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/10/shouting-into-the-void-this... (you will have to copy and paste the link manually because he loves to block HN referrals for self-amusement)
      - tux3 4y ago
        They must have fixed it, I buy a lot of stuff on bandcamp and I've only entered my card once. The only friction is waiting a few second per track for them to prepare my 12 flac downloads, clicking through payment only takes a second or so.
        alisonatwork 4y ago
        I had the payment problem the other day and it's because I wanted to pay with PayPal. It seems if you use a card they can roll together all the items, but PayPal can't. My biggest frustration is not being able to download a zip file of all the tracks I just bought. Going one by one is tedious, especially because I tend to download both a FLAC for backup and 320 for everyday listening.
    - 4y ago
- nonrandomstring 4y ago
  A massive chunk of my music collection recently came from random strangers. I found a waterlogged phone on the beach. No amount of dry rice could resurrect it. But I located the owner and, via a micro SD card, returned a 100GB of family photos by EXIF GPS data that led me to their house. Happy repatriations. As a side effect I snarfed about 100GB of high quality MP3s. I'm still listening to bands I've never heard of before. On reflection I rather liked that. It shows my ego-driven so-called "tastes" are perhaps an over inflated sense of identity and that whether I'll like random music or not is only a little higher than chance. Another time someone gave me a USB with a PDF to read, and the rest of the drive was chock full of their whole music collection. Now that thumb drives are so HUGE and I literally have boxes of them lying around I wonder whether to just preload them with a shit-ton of cool music and give them to people I like. Like old mix tapes... it's nothing to do with the cost/purchase... it's a whole new formula for discovery and restoring a social dimension to music.
  - myself248 4y ago
    Back when coffee shop wifi was a new thing, and AP Isolation hadn't been invented yet, I used to discover a lot of music on Network Neighborhood at my local Caribou Coffee. A lot of folks would have their file-sharing settings wide open, so I could just click around the WLAN and look for mp3's. Found all sorts of interesting stuff, and if someone left a writable folder, I'd take-some-leave-some in kind. Those days are long gone, so lately it's estate sales. Show up on the last day of the sale and pick up a whole milk-crate of CDs for $40, probably 150 pieces in there. Basically if I recognize and like a few artists in the collection, I figure this person's tastes overlapped enough with mine that I should give the rest of the collection a spin. Oh, wow. Best part is, it's all physical media which can never DRM itself out of my collection again. (I've ranted previously about random tracks just "turning gray" on my Spotify playlists, presumably because of some licensing dispute or whatever, and how deeply offensive that is to the fans who curated these playlists and assign significance to the songs therein.) It's a bit of work to rip and encode, but it's not like the old days where a 60-minute album might take 90 minutes to rip and encode. CPUs are quick and USB CDROMs are cheap; I can do 5 albums in parallel in 10 minutes. Then stuff the milkcrate in the basement and forget about it.
  - 4y ago
- kibwen 4y ago
  I'm not quite young, but I listen to lo-fi hip hop streams, video game soundtracks (Guilty Gear Strive is my current recommendation), DJ streamers, live cover streamers, and space music on public radio (WXPN). I doubt any of these get reflected in the official numbers.
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- parrellel 4y ago
  This can't be anywhere near all of it, but check out the chat on the Lofi Girl YouTube channel, one hundred percent kids studying algebra and worrying about testing. Just like a chatroom in the 90's.
- whatever1 4y ago
  Tiktok
- fullshark 4y ago
  Apparently TikTok https://www.npr.org/2022/05/22/1080632810/tiktok-music-industry-gayle-abcdefu-sia-tai-verdes-celine-dion https://www.npr.org/2022/05/22/1080632810/tiktok-music-indus... https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/tiktok-music-industry-halsey-trevor-daniel-1360904/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/tiktok-music-i...
- beepbooptheory 4y ago
  Don't look at algorithm services, look and follow smaller record labels (on bandcamp maybe). Some of the labels i follow: unseen worlds, drag city, hausu mountain, hyperdub. I am turning 33 next year, I have yet to have a year where my heart almost doesnt explode from joy and amazement at all the music people are make. Every year I feel luckier than last to be alive to hear the new things coming out. I really can't relate at all to most of this discussion.. It is very alien to me.
- shreyshnaccount 4y ago
  Spotify, youtube, indie discord servers, musician friends, SoundCloud, Instagram accounts of artists, live shows, just everywhere you turn there's a goldmine of indie music
havblue 4y ago
Certainly the culture hasn't stopped, but how would you say that music has moved forward in the past decade or two? While I can name a lot of groups that make new music I enjoy, I can't say that there have been revolutionary genres created for awhile.
- coldpie 4y ago
  Ohhh it's out there... I'm not sure "when" dubstep was created, but it's starting to spawn new explorations. Take Clown Core, kind of a dubstep/metal/jazz/comedy fusion... thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT7x1NvGf5k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT7x1NvGf5k Before you write it off entirely (I don't blame you), take a second to notice the synchronization around 0:55.
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    That's pretty cool, thank you!
- ModernMech 4y ago
  Have you heard of live coding? Writing code in front of a live audience that plays music? I doubt anything like that has been done before the last couple of decades. I don't know the history, maybe people dabbled with it way back when, but it's an actual thing now. I hope it really catches on! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1m0aX9Lpts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1m0aX9Lpts
  - CalRobert 4y ago
    Algorave?
- claudiulodro 4y ago
  Sure there have been totally new genres within the last few years: Russian hardbass, phonk, hyperpop, etc. Art is constantly evolving, even though not necessarily evolving in the mainstream.
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aikah 4y ago

Yet all the summer music festivals are packed, sold out within minutes. It's just that the kids value live experience more than they value mp3 or Spotify.

jmeister 4y ago

Can you please tell us older ones where the kids are getting their music these days? When I was young I used torrents and filesharing between friends or local networks.

Someone1234 4y ago
YouTube (and TikTok to a certain extent).
- coldpie 4y ago
  Definitely TikTok, and Instagram as well. Yes, really, there's a huge independent musician community on Instagram.
- Victerius 4y ago
  Seconding YouTube.
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hobo_mark 4y ago
No so young anymore, but I listen to SoundCloud at least 50 hours per week (after heavily curating who I follow and writing my own SoundCloud frontend to make the site usable, fwiw). In fact most artists I follow do not publish anywhere else, except maybe Bandcamp (whose usability is even worse). ps: to any SoundCloud pm listening, I would have gladly paid for a purely linear timeline of my follows that remembers its position across devices, but no I had to build it myself.
- elevaet 4y ago
  > Bandcamp (whose usability is even worse). I guess this is a matter of taste. Personally I find Bandcamp super usable. It's one of the gems of the internet if you ask me, up there with HN. There's so much amazing independent music on BC and the revenue cut for artists is extremely fair. Money spent there is well spent.
  - hobo_mark 4y ago
    All extremely true, but the damn friction when buying tracks there... (jwz put it best [1]) > If I put 6 albums in my cart and check out, you make me enter my credit card info SIX TIMES. This is insane. You realize this is insane, don't you? > You have used Amazon, right? Click once, receive candy. You need to be like that. (Maybe they fixed it? Haven't bought multiple items at once in a while) Also I would gladly pay for SoundCloud if most of the money actually went to the artists (if any SC pm is still listening). [1] https://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/10/shouting-into-the-void-this-time-bandcamp/ https://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/10/shouting-into-the-void-this... (you will have to copy and paste the link manually because he loves to block HN referrals for self-amusement)
    - tux3 4y ago
      They must have fixed it, I buy a lot of stuff on bandcamp and I've only entered my card once. The only friction is waiting a few second per track for them to prepare my 12 flac downloads, clicking through payment only takes a second or so.
      - alisonatwork 4y ago
        I had the payment problem the other day and it's because I wanted to pay with PayPal. It seems if you use a card they can roll together all the items, but PayPal can't. My biggest frustration is not being able to download a zip file of all the tracks I just bought. Going one by one is tedious, especially because I tend to download both a FLAC for backup and 320 for everyday listening.
  - 4y ago
nonrandomstring 4y ago
A massive chunk of my music collection recently came from random strangers. I found a waterlogged phone on the beach. No amount of dry rice could resurrect it. But I located the owner and, via a micro SD card, returned a 100GB of family photos by EXIF GPS data that led me to their house. Happy repatriations. As a side effect I snarfed about 100GB of high quality MP3s. I'm still listening to bands I've never heard of before. On reflection I rather liked that. It shows my ego-driven so-called "tastes" are perhaps an over inflated sense of identity and that whether I'll like random music or not is only a little higher than chance. Another time someone gave me a USB with a PDF to read, and the rest of the drive was chock full of their whole music collection. Now that thumb drives are so HUGE and I literally have boxes of them lying around I wonder whether to just preload them with a shit-ton of cool music and give them to people I like. Like old mix tapes... it's nothing to do with the cost/purchase... it's a whole new formula for discovery and restoring a social dimension to music.
- myself248 4y ago
  Back when coffee shop wifi was a new thing, and AP Isolation hadn't been invented yet, I used to discover a lot of music on Network Neighborhood at my local Caribou Coffee. A lot of folks would have their file-sharing settings wide open, so I could just click around the WLAN and look for mp3's. Found all sorts of interesting stuff, and if someone left a writable folder, I'd take-some-leave-some in kind. Those days are long gone, so lately it's estate sales. Show up on the last day of the sale and pick up a whole milk-crate of CDs for $40, probably 150 pieces in there. Basically if I recognize and like a few artists in the collection, I figure this person's tastes overlapped enough with mine that I should give the rest of the collection a spin. Oh, wow. Best part is, it's all physical media which can never DRM itself out of my collection again. (I've ranted previously about random tracks just "turning gray" on my Spotify playlists, presumably because of some licensing dispute or whatever, and how deeply offensive that is to the fans who curated these playlists and assign significance to the songs therein.) It's a bit of work to rip and encode, but it's not like the old days where a 60-minute album might take 90 minutes to rip and encode. CPUs are quick and USB CDROMs are cheap; I can do 5 albums in parallel in 10 minutes. Then stuff the milkcrate in the basement and forget about it.
- 4y ago
kibwen 4y ago
I'm not quite young, but I listen to lo-fi hip hop streams, video game soundtracks (Guilty Gear Strive is my current recommendation), DJ streamers, live cover streamers, and space music on public radio (WXPN). I doubt any of these get reflected in the official numbers.
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parrellel 4y ago
This can't be anywhere near all of it, but check out the chat on the Lofi Girl YouTube channel, one hundred percent kids studying algebra and worrying about testing. Just like a chatroom in the 90's.
whatever1 4y ago
Tiktok
fullshark 4y ago
Apparently TikTok https://www.npr.org/2022/05/22/1080632810/tiktok-music-industry-gayle-abcdefu-sia-tai-verdes-celine-dion https://www.npr.org/2022/05/22/1080632810/tiktok-music-indus... https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/tiktok-music-industry-halsey-trevor-daniel-1360904/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/tiktok-music-i...
beepbooptheory 4y ago
Don't look at algorithm services, look and follow smaller record labels (on bandcamp maybe). Some of the labels i follow: unseen worlds, drag city, hausu mountain, hyperdub. I am turning 33 next year, I have yet to have a year where my heart almost doesnt explode from joy and amazement at all the music people are make. Every year I feel luckier than last to be alive to hear the new things coming out. I really can't relate at all to most of this discussion.. It is very alien to me.
shreyshnaccount 4y ago
Spotify, youtube, indie discord servers, musician friends, SoundCloud, Instagram accounts of artists, live shows, just everywhere you turn there's a goldmine of indie music

havblue 4y ago

Certainly the culture hasn't stopped, but how would you say that music has moved forward in the past decade or two? While I can name a lot of groups that make new music I enjoy, I can't say that there have been revolutionary genres created for awhile.

coldpie 4y ago
Ohhh it's out there... I'm not sure "when" dubstep was created, but it's starting to spawn new explorations. Take Clown Core, kind of a dubstep/metal/jazz/comedy fusion... thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT7x1NvGf5k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT7x1NvGf5k Before you write it off entirely (I don't blame you), take a second to notice the synchronization around 0:55.
- thriftwy 4y ago
  That's pretty cool, thank you!
ModernMech 4y ago
Have you heard of live coding? Writing code in front of a live audience that plays music? I doubt anything like that has been done before the last couple of decades. I don't know the history, maybe people dabbled with it way back when, but it's an actual thing now. I hope it really catches on! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1m0aX9Lpts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1m0aX9Lpts
- CalRobert 4y ago
  Algorave?
claudiulodro 4y ago
Sure there have been totally new genres within the last few years: Russian hardbass, phonk, hyperpop, etc. Art is constantly evolving, even though not necessarily evolving in the mainstream.
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