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Using gdb is like when you forget to take the silencer off your gun and claim self defense when the police comes.

by mrits 4y ago

sgjohnson 4y ago
I mean, if you’re at your own home, and your guns have suppressors on them… it’s fine.
- mwint 4y ago
  Nope, they’re an NFA item. Highly regulated, you can get men in suits at your door for the offense of buying several oil filters at once.
  - egberts1 4y ago
    Not finding any regulation on the misuse of oil filters … yet.
    - mwint 4y ago
      They make pretty decent silencers when affixed to the muzzle of a gun, and suddenly become an NFA item. I know a guy with a diesel repair shop who bought a “suspicious” number of filters off Amazon at once. A couple suits showed up at his door asking about them. We totally live in a surveillance state, and Amazon feeds your purchase history into it.
      - belter 4y ago
        41 months in prison for your oil filter... "Maryland Man Arrested for Fuel Filter Silencer" https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/maryland-man-arrested-fuel-filter-silencer/ https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/maryland-man-arrested-fuel-fi...
        alfon 4y ago
        Seems it wasn’t just “possession of an oil filter silencer”: > Candelario sold and manufactured AR-15 style assault rifles in Maryland without a license. The ATF caught Candelario by using an anonymous man to purchase the firearms in a gas station parking lot. This agent purchased six rifles, as well as two fuel filter silencers.
    - captainredbeard 4y ago
      It is issued in the form of enforcement action by the ATF. The recent SC ruling on regulatory agencies may change this some.
    - collegeburner 4y ago
      the "fuel filter" thing with the right other stuff is constructive possession even if u dont build it.
    - nibbleshifter 4y ago
      Constructive intent is what the ATF claims (and wins in court).
    - sgjohnson 4y ago
      According the the NFA, anything you use as a suppressor, is a suppressor. Be it an empty bottle, an oil filter, or a potato (yes, really).
      - egberts1 4y ago
        if even a pillow; asking for a friend.
  - sgjohnson 4y ago
    Yes, but there's nothing wrong with using an NFA item for reasonable self defense.
    - mwint 4y ago
      Has this been tested with silencers specifically? Seems like it’s nasty both directions; if you usually run a silencer on your home defense gun, they’d get you for that. If you don’t, and you take the time to put one on, it undermines your self defense claim.
- oneplane 4y ago
  Guns at any home don't really have an absolute level of fineness I'd say; it also depends on where the home is, who is in the home, if the person possessing the guns is reasonable and trained etc. If your home is a small apartment in a building with small apartments all around you with walls that are essentially a thin sheet of cardboard, and the gun owner hears voices that aren't really there, is it still fine? (and suppressors don't even factor in at this point since they are essentially just hearing protection) I don't think there is a universally applicable rule where it is fine or not-fine. Factors like the individual(s) involved, the location and even social climate make such a big impact when it comes to weapons. Probably also why there is a blanket ban on suppressors, not because it was actually based on the use with common sense.
  - captainredbeard 4y ago
    Suppressors are regulated heavily under the NFA. You have to receive explicit permission from the Feds for each one. The US, like it or not, has specific carve out allowances for firearm ownership by the mass civilian population. You may not find it reasonable.
    - oneplane 4y ago
      It doesn't have anything to do with liking things. Blanket rules that apply to incompatible scenarios are just dumb, and not reasonable in any form. The endless 'defence' for bad rules makes no sense either, it's okay to say "it isn't perfect and when we find a better way we might adopt it". Rules are just constructs that can be changed.
      - jonhohle 4y ago
        Tyrannical states tend to remove weapons and armor from the population early in their campaign. Some countries realized this in their founding and made sure that would be rather difficult to enforce.
        oneplane 4y ago
gmiller123456 4y ago
A lot of people use silencers on their home defense guns. Firing a gun with no hearing protection is a pretty jarring experience, and a suppressor can help quite a bit with that.
- kzrdude 4y ago
  Does it make the laser "piow" noise in real life too? Or that's just the cinema effect
  - mwint 4y ago
    No, it goes KABANG (instead of KABLAAAAAANG). There are a ton of YouTube videos of people testing this, they’re usually a pretty fun watch.
    - Taek 4y ago
      Usually with no DB measurement. I couldn't find a single video of someone using silenced subsonic rounds with a decibel meter.
      - girvo 4y ago
        There’s a reason for that! Standard dB meters that most YouTubers have easy access to simply aren’t accurate enough for guns, even suppressed ones.
  - ch4s3 4y ago
    A cinema effect, which is why they’re usually called suppressors. It lowers the decibel level of the sound enough that you can fire without ear protection and not risk damage to your hearing.
  - gmiller123456 4y ago
    They are no where near as quiet as movies would have you believe. There are a lot of factors that come in to play as to how quiet they are, like if you're using sub-sonic ammo, the size of the supressor, barrel length, what the bullet hits, and more. Sadly, I'm sure a lot of their regulation has to do with how they're portrayed in movies rather than reality.
Dylan16807 4y ago
Is there a problem with "silencers" other than stupid propaganda?
- typeofhuman 4y ago
  Not outside of the circle of people wildly uneducated on firearms.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    A silencer is to gun croed what loud exhausts are to thewtuning crowd. Not adding anything to the product but a stupid shiney cool thing to distiguish oneself from people outside the "educated" circles.
    - josephcsible 4y ago
      This couldn't be more wrong. It's a safety device to protect your hearing.
      - hef19898 4y ago
        The safety device protect your hearing while shooting goes over your ears, or inside them. Not inbfront your mizzle. But hey, I guess operator style tacticoolness beats everything. Anyway, gun safety pratices seem to be desperately lacking in the US, judging by all the stupid gun accidents. At least your hearing was protected by a cool, tactical device.
        josephcsible 4y ago
        > The safety device protect your hearing while shooting goes over your ears, or inside them. Not inbfront your mizzle. This argument is like saying that since air bags are a safety device, seat belts must not be.
        mod 4y ago
koolba 4y ago
A suppressor lowers the decibel level of a firearm by about 20-30 dB. It’s anything but silent and there’s nothing illegal, malicious, or unusual for wanting to not go deaf in the event you had to fire a weapon in self defense without a chance to wear ear protection.
- mrits 4y ago
  It's a red flag for further investigation as it is a tool often used by professionals. At least in movies. I stand by my humorous analogy!
  - YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
- jorvi 4y ago
  Not only that, there's adapters you can buy (or print..) that allow you to screw oil filters onto a pistol or AR. It might sound pretty stupid but it is actually relatively effective.
  - oynqr 4y ago
    Pretty sure the ATF doesn't like people doing that
    - coryrc 4y ago
      They require a stamp from the ATF, but are legal with it.
- ondrek 4y ago
  This may be true for the US, but the whole argument falls apart as soon as you remember the world is wider. Eg in Europe are suppressors often allowed with a special permit only = which, in my country, basically means army use only. There are plenty reasons why. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Legality_of_firearm_suppressors_in_Europe.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Legality_of_firearm_...
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laszlojamf 4y ago
Judging by the sibling comments here, silencers are a hot button issue on HN. FWIW, silencers are as of this year purchasable without a permit in Sweden (a hunting permit is required which involves firearms training, but before a separate license was required for the silencer) EDIT: and as several commenters already have pointed out, it's a good thing. Shooting an unsilenced 30-06 rifle in a closed hideout will hurt even with ear protection.

Using gdb is like when you forget to take the silencer off your gun and claim self defense when the police comes.

by mrits 4y ago

Using gdb is like when you forget to take the silencer off your gun and claim self defense when the police comes.

sgjohnson 4y ago

I mean, if you’re at your own home, and your guns have suppressors on them… it’s fine.

mwint 4y ago
Nope, they’re an NFA item. Highly regulated, you can get men in suits at your door for the offense of buying several oil filters at once.
- egberts1 4y ago
  Not finding any regulation on the misuse of oil filters … yet.
  - mwint 4y ago
    They make pretty decent silencers when affixed to the muzzle of a gun, and suddenly become an NFA item. I know a guy with a diesel repair shop who bought a “suspicious” number of filters off Amazon at once. A couple suits showed up at his door asking about them. We totally live in a surveillance state, and Amazon feeds your purchase history into it.
    - belter 4y ago
      41 months in prison for your oil filter... "Maryland Man Arrested for Fuel Filter Silencer" https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/maryland-man-arrested-fuel-filter-silencer/ https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/maryland-man-arrested-fuel-fi...
      - alfon 4y ago
        Seems it wasn’t just “possession of an oil filter silencer”: > Candelario sold and manufactured AR-15 style assault rifles in Maryland without a license. The ATF caught Candelario by using an anonymous man to purchase the firearms in a gas station parking lot. This agent purchased six rifles, as well as two fuel filter silencers.
  - captainredbeard 4y ago
    It is issued in the form of enforcement action by the ATF. The recent SC ruling on regulatory agencies may change this some.
  - collegeburner 4y ago
    the "fuel filter" thing with the right other stuff is constructive possession even if u dont build it.
  - nibbleshifter 4y ago
    Constructive intent is what the ATF claims (and wins in court).
  - sgjohnson 4y ago
    According the the NFA, anything you use as a suppressor, is a suppressor. Be it an empty bottle, an oil filter, or a potato (yes, really).
    - egberts1 4y ago
      if even a pillow; asking for a friend.
- sgjohnson 4y ago
  Yes, but there's nothing wrong with using an NFA item for reasonable self defense.
  - mwint 4y ago
    Has this been tested with silencers specifically? Seems like it’s nasty both directions; if you usually run a silencer on your home defense gun, they’d get you for that. If you don’t, and you take the time to put one on, it undermines your self defense claim.
oneplane 4y ago
Guns at any home don't really have an absolute level of fineness I'd say; it also depends on where the home is, who is in the home, if the person possessing the guns is reasonable and trained etc. If your home is a small apartment in a building with small apartments all around you with walls that are essentially a thin sheet of cardboard, and the gun owner hears voices that aren't really there, is it still fine? (and suppressors don't even factor in at this point since they are essentially just hearing protection) I don't think there is a universally applicable rule where it is fine or not-fine. Factors like the individual(s) involved, the location and even social climate make such a big impact when it comes to weapons. Probably also why there is a blanket ban on suppressors, not because it was actually based on the use with common sense.
- captainredbeard 4y ago
  Suppressors are regulated heavily under the NFA. You have to receive explicit permission from the Feds for each one. The US, like it or not, has specific carve out allowances for firearm ownership by the mass civilian population. You may not find it reasonable.
  - oneplane 4y ago
    It doesn't have anything to do with liking things. Blanket rules that apply to incompatible scenarios are just dumb, and not reasonable in any form. The endless 'defence' for bad rules makes no sense either, it's okay to say "it isn't perfect and when we find a better way we might adopt it". Rules are just constructs that can be changed.
    - jonhohle 4y ago
      Tyrannical states tend to remove weapons and armor from the population early in their campaign. Some countries realized this in their founding and made sure that would be rather difficult to enforce.
      - oneplane 4y ago

gmiller123456 4y ago

A lot of people use silencers on their home defense guns. Firing a gun with no hearing protection is a pretty jarring experience, and a suppressor can help quite a bit with that.

kzrdude 4y ago
Does it make the laser "piow" noise in real life too? Or that's just the cinema effect
- mwint 4y ago
  No, it goes KABANG (instead of KABLAAAAAANG). There are a ton of YouTube videos of people testing this, they’re usually a pretty fun watch.
  - Taek 4y ago
    Usually with no DB measurement. I couldn't find a single video of someone using silenced subsonic rounds with a decibel meter.
    - girvo 4y ago
      There’s a reason for that! Standard dB meters that most YouTubers have easy access to simply aren’t accurate enough for guns, even suppressed ones.
- ch4s3 4y ago
  A cinema effect, which is why they’re usually called suppressors. It lowers the decibel level of the sound enough that you can fire without ear protection and not risk damage to your hearing.
- gmiller123456 4y ago
  They are no where near as quiet as movies would have you believe. There are a lot of factors that come in to play as to how quiet they are, like if you're using sub-sonic ammo, the size of the supressor, barrel length, what the bullet hits, and more. Sadly, I'm sure a lot of their regulation has to do with how they're portrayed in movies rather than reality.

Dylan16807 4y ago

Is there a problem with "silencers" other than stupid propaganda?

typeofhuman 4y ago
Not outside of the circle of people wildly uneducated on firearms.
- hef19898 4y ago
  A silencer is to gun croed what loud exhausts are to thewtuning crowd. Not adding anything to the product but a stupid shiney cool thing to distiguish oneself from people outside the "educated" circles.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    This couldn't be more wrong. It's a safety device to protect your hearing.
    - hef19898 4y ago
      The safety device protect your hearing while shooting goes over your ears, or inside them. Not inbfront your mizzle. But hey, I guess operator style tacticoolness beats everything. Anyway, gun safety pratices seem to be desperately lacking in the US, judging by all the stupid gun accidents. At least your hearing was protected by a cool, tactical device.
      - josephcsible 4y ago
        > The safety device protect your hearing while shooting goes over your ears, or inside them. Not inbfront your mizzle. This argument is like saying that since air bags are a safety device, seat belts must not be.
        mod 4y ago

koolba 4y ago

A suppressor lowers the decibel level of a firearm by about 20-30 dB. It’s anything but silent and there’s nothing illegal, malicious, or unusual for wanting to not go deaf in the event you had to fire a weapon in self defense without a chance to wear ear protection.

mrits 4y ago
It's a red flag for further investigation as it is a tool often used by professionals. At least in movies. I stand by my humorous analogy!
- YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
jorvi 4y ago
Not only that, there's adapters you can buy (or print..) that allow you to screw oil filters onto a pistol or AR. It might sound pretty stupid but it is actually relatively effective.
- oynqr 4y ago
  Pretty sure the ATF doesn't like people doing that
  - coryrc 4y ago
    They require a stamp from the ATF, but are legal with it.
ondrek 4y ago
This may be true for the US, but the whole argument falls apart as soon as you remember the world is wider. Eg in Europe are suppressors often allowed with a special permit only = which, in my country, basically means army use only. There are plenty reasons why. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Legality_of_firearm_suppressors_in_Europe.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Legality_of_firearm_...

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laszlojamf 4y ago

Judging by the sibling comments here, silencers are a hot button issue on HN. FWIW, silencers are as of this year purchasable without a permit in Sweden (a hunting permit is required which involves firearms training, but before a separate license was required for the silencer) EDIT: and as several commenters already have pointed out, it's a good thing. Shooting an unsilenced 30-06 rifle in a closed hideout will hurt even with ear protection.