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I hope not, because I don't think we will be given a choice on whether we want to take it or not, and the last booster I had in December wrecked me. Within 20 m

I hope not, because I don't think we will be given a choice on whether we want to take it or not, and the last booster I had in December wrecked me. Within 20 minutes I was yawning non stop, one yawn after till the point I was gasping for air. eventually my whole body was in pain for about 3 days, my resting heart rate was over 100 (60-65 is normal for me) and my oxygen levels was down to 90. 6 weeks later I caught omicron anyways. Long story short, I don't want to go through that every 6 months.

KennyBlanken 4y ago
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- robocat 4y ago
  > a vaccine can't make you yawn uncontrollably Please don’t rudely deny someone else’s experience. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - KennyBlanken 4y ago
    Please do not use tone arguments to dismiss someone responding to dangerous vaccine misinformation, especially when I was not "rude." This entire thread is crawling with anti-vaccination rhetoric and misinformation.
    - robocat 4y ago
      > dangerous vaccine misinformation Calling their written experience “dangerous vaccine misinformation” is doubling down on your error, given that their comment is merely a statement of what happened to them. Please reread the guidelines. Denying someone’s experience is extremely rude. Clearly others agree with my reading of your comments. Excessive yawning could be a symptom of many different things: strange symptoms should be a reason to go to the doctor, not to be dismissed. Disclaimer: I am not a mod.
- ekianjo 4y ago
  - dahinds 4y ago
    Polio vaccine has the same behavior, so it isn't really bending the meaning of the word.
    - josephcsible 4y ago
      Isn't the number of polio cases way, way down since the polio vaccine was introduced, to the point that it's almost eradicated now? How could that have happened if all it did were make infections less severe?
      - dahinds 4y ago
        There are two types of polio vaccine. The one used where polio is circulating (oral vaccine) is a live virus and provides more protection against transmission but isn't super effective and (rarely) can cause paralysis. The inactivated vaccine (injection) mostly just protects against severe disease. Here's a paper that says the oral vaccine produces 70-80% protection against transmission and the inactivated vaccine produces 20-30% protection: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2486742/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2486742/
        josephcsible 4y ago
        Sure. I guess my point is that we have OPV to thank for the near-eradication of polio, and that all of the COVID vaccines are instead more like IPV.
- jtc331 4y ago
  - tomjakubowski 4y ago
    Not at all. Just one example, flu vaccines have never been 100% effective in preventing disease - more like 40-60%. And flu patients who did receive the vaccine have better outcomes. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/effectiveness-studies.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/effectiveness-studies....
  - tshaddox 4y ago
    I would expect someone to believe this before COVID if they hadn’t done any research of vaccines beyond the dictionary definition. But of course this is absolutely false. Many (perhaps most) vaccines in regular use “only” reduce the spread of infection within the body and reduce the risk of serious symptoms.
  - tacon 4y ago
    "Vaccines are defined as immunogenic preparations of a pathogen that evoke an immune response without causing disease."[1] "Some vaccines offer full sterilizing immunity, in which infection is prevented completely."[2] [1] Vaccinology: Principles and Practice (2012), p.3 https://book4you.org/book/2156866/923113 https://book4you.org/book/2156866/923113 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine
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rgrieselhuber 4y ago
I thought nobody was forced to take the vaccine?
- joeman1000 4y ago
  We are forced to in Australia. I was barred from taking exams this semester since I didn’t have the vaccine. Others lose their jobs. There is no freedom of choice there. It’s a gun wrapped in a blanket.
  - infradig 4y ago
    That was 2021, nowadays no one here gives a crap whether you're vaxed or boosted or even wearing a mask or not.
    - rayiner 4y ago
      Covid deaths are higher now in the US than this time a year ago and nobody gives a shit. Half the country demonized the other half of the country for reaching the same state of indifference 6-8 months earlier than they did.
      - yesenadam 4y ago
        > Half the country demonized the other half of the country And also demonized Australia - "fascist"! "authoritarian"! - for being 6 months behind in COVID and still giving a shit when the USA already didn't. For us in Australia, early 2020 was 6 months of the USA looking like a disaster movie while almost noone had it here.
        josephcsible 4y ago
        But did Australia's draconian lockdowns actually even accomplish anything other than delaying the inevitable? Hasn't COVID been going strong there since Christmas, despite everything they put their citizens through?
mherdeg 4y ago
Yeah that tracks -- a local news station read through a database (I'm assuming this is VAERS) and found 5 reports of excessive yawning from Moderna recipients as of Apr 2021: https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/staring-yawning-falling-off-bikes-weird-vaccine-side-effects-worth-reporting-officials-say/19641028/ https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/staring-yawning-falling-off... Sorry to hear about the experience :( If you have reason to believe your body can't tolerate the mRNA vaccines, some alternatives to discuss with a GP might include * Evushield -- pre exposure prophylaxis if you're at risk and the mainline vaccines don't work * Paxlovid -- get outcomes comparable to conventionally vaccinated people if you take shortly after infection, beware "rebound" / second course, metallic taste and a lot of poop * Monoclonal antibodies after confirmed infection -- probably bebtelovimab right? Hard to keep a handle on this with variants. * Indoor air quality -- try to shop at businesses that have 3+ air changes per hour of MERV13+ filtered or outdoor air (there are healthy building stickers like LEED but they haven't really taken off) * Rely on others' immunity -- I'm still unsure whether vaccinated people are less contagious? If so even if you're medically unable to participate in vaccination, other people are protecting you in aggregate * Just accept the possibility of a painful death in the future -- it could happen for any of us right? Who knows? We live with lots of risks.
- jameshart 4y ago
  Wow. Five cases of excessive yawning correlated with vaccine administration. Out of millions of doses administered. We should totally pause on the rollout of the vaccine, while we do a proper risk assessment on that. Because on the one hand, we have the risk that unchecked spread of the disease will lead to more dangerous mutations and we could be faced with a complete collapse of healthcare capacity as it is overwhelmed by severe cases. And on the other, a handful of people might yawn a lot. In fact that risk balance is too tricky to be left up to the experts. Individuals should do their own personal risk assessment, based on how annoying they find it to yawn, versus how much hospital capacity they assume is available in their region. No wonder we’re still in this damn pandemic.
  - nathanaldensr 4y ago
    Unchecked spread of viruses leads to less dangerous mutations because the more dangerous ones burn through victims too quickly for it to spread very far.

KennyBlanken 4y ago

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robocat 4y ago
> a vaccine can't make you yawn uncontrollably Please don’t rudely deny someone else’s experience. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- KennyBlanken 4y ago
  Please do not use tone arguments to dismiss someone responding to dangerous vaccine misinformation, especially when I was not "rude." This entire thread is crawling with anti-vaccination rhetoric and misinformation.
  - robocat 4y ago
    > dangerous vaccine misinformation Calling their written experience “dangerous vaccine misinformation” is doubling down on your error, given that their comment is merely a statement of what happened to them. Please reread the guidelines. Denying someone’s experience is extremely rude. Clearly others agree with my reading of your comments. Excessive yawning could be a symptom of many different things: strange symptoms should be a reason to go to the doctor, not to be dismissed. Disclaimer: I am not a mod.
ekianjo 4y ago
- dahinds 4y ago
  Polio vaccine has the same behavior, so it isn't really bending the meaning of the word.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    Isn't the number of polio cases way, way down since the polio vaccine was introduced, to the point that it's almost eradicated now? How could that have happened if all it did were make infections less severe?
    - dahinds 4y ago
      There are two types of polio vaccine. The one used where polio is circulating (oral vaccine) is a live virus and provides more protection against transmission but isn't super effective and (rarely) can cause paralysis. The inactivated vaccine (injection) mostly just protects against severe disease. Here's a paper that says the oral vaccine produces 70-80% protection against transmission and the inactivated vaccine produces 20-30% protection: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2486742/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2486742/
      - josephcsible 4y ago
        Sure. I guess my point is that we have OPV to thank for the near-eradication of polio, and that all of the COVID vaccines are instead more like IPV.
jtc331 4y ago
- tomjakubowski 4y ago
  Not at all. Just one example, flu vaccines have never been 100% effective in preventing disease - more like 40-60%. And flu patients who did receive the vaccine have better outcomes. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/effectiveness-studies.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/effectiveness-studies....
- tshaddox 4y ago
  I would expect someone to believe this before COVID if they hadn’t done any research of vaccines beyond the dictionary definition. But of course this is absolutely false. Many (perhaps most) vaccines in regular use “only” reduce the spread of infection within the body and reduce the risk of serious symptoms.
- tacon 4y ago
  "Vaccines are defined as immunogenic preparations of a pathogen that evoke an immune response without causing disease."[1] "Some vaccines offer full sterilizing immunity, in which infection is prevented completely."[2] [1] Vaccinology: Principles and Practice (2012), p.3 https://book4you.org/book/2156866/923113 https://book4you.org/book/2156866/923113 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine
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rgrieselhuber 4y ago

I thought nobody was forced to take the vaccine?

joeman1000 4y ago
We are forced to in Australia. I was barred from taking exams this semester since I didn’t have the vaccine. Others lose their jobs. There is no freedom of choice there. It’s a gun wrapped in a blanket.
- infradig 4y ago
  That was 2021, nowadays no one here gives a crap whether you're vaxed or boosted or even wearing a mask or not.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    Covid deaths are higher now in the US than this time a year ago and nobody gives a shit. Half the country demonized the other half of the country for reaching the same state of indifference 6-8 months earlier than they did.
    - yesenadam 4y ago
      > Half the country demonized the other half of the country And also demonized Australia - "fascist"! "authoritarian"! - for being 6 months behind in COVID and still giving a shit when the USA already didn't. For us in Australia, early 2020 was 6 months of the USA looking like a disaster movie while almost noone had it here.
      - josephcsible 4y ago
        But did Australia's draconian lockdowns actually even accomplish anything other than delaying the inevitable? Hasn't COVID been going strong there since Christmas, despite everything they put their citizens through?

mherdeg 4y ago

Yeah that tracks -- a local news station read through a database (I'm assuming this is VAERS) and found 5 reports of excessive yawning from Moderna recipients as of Apr 2021: https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/staring-yawning-falling-off-bikes-weird-vaccine-side-effects-worth-reporting-officials-say/19641028/ https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/staring-yawning-falling-off... Sorry to hear about the experience :( If you have reason to believe your body can't tolerate the mRNA vaccines, some alternatives to discuss with a GP might include * Evushield -- pre exposure prophylaxis if you're at risk and the mainline vaccines don't work * Paxlovid -- get outcomes comparable to conventionally vaccinated people if you take shortly after infection, beware "rebound" / second course, metallic taste and a lot of poop * Monoclonal antibodies after confirmed infection -- probably bebtelovimab right? Hard to keep a handle on this with variants. * Indoor air quality -- try to shop at businesses that have 3+ air changes per hour of MERV13+ filtered or outdoor air (there are healthy building stickers like LEED but they haven't really taken off) * Rely on others' immunity -- I'm still unsure whether vaccinated people are less contagious? If so even if you're medically unable to participate in vaccination, other people are protecting you in aggregate * Just accept the possibility of a painful death in the future -- it could happen for any of us right? Who knows? We live with lots of risks.

jameshart 4y ago
Wow. Five cases of excessive yawning correlated with vaccine administration. Out of millions of doses administered. We should totally pause on the rollout of the vaccine, while we do a proper risk assessment on that. Because on the one hand, we have the risk that unchecked spread of the disease will lead to more dangerous mutations and we could be faced with a complete collapse of healthcare capacity as it is overwhelmed by severe cases. And on the other, a handful of people might yawn a lot. In fact that risk balance is too tricky to be left up to the experts. Individuals should do their own personal risk assessment, based on how annoying they find it to yawn, versus how much hospital capacity they assume is available in their region. No wonder we’re still in this damn pandemic.
- nathanaldensr 4y ago
  Unchecked spread of viruses leads to less dangerous mutations because the more dangerous ones burn through victims too quickly for it to spread very far.