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ok. how about France? They get 70% of their power from Nuclear, starting in 1962.

byroot 4y ago
Over half our reactors are currently stopped because of various corrosion issues, we regularly have to stop some because of drought, etc. France might have been the poster child for nuclear energy, but it’s on the verge of becoming a poster child for what happens after you over rely on it for two decade.
- jvanderbot 4y ago
  Sure, they wear out. Nobody said otherwise. But I haven't heard of a major incident in either the US Navy or France, the nation.
- maccard 4y ago
  > but it’s on the verge of becoming a poster child for what happens after you over rely on it for two decade. No, it's on the verge of becoming a poster child for what happens if you _neglect it_ for two decades.
  - danielbln 4y ago
    So, how do you get large energy conglomerates and oligopolies from neglecting this infrastructure? Mega corps, especially energy corps in the US, aren't exactly known for playing by the book and are very much known for cutting every available corner. The proponents of nuclear fission often forget that greed and neglect runs rampant.
    - maccard 4y ago
      > So, how do you get large energy conglomerates and oligopolies from neglecting this infrastructure? This isn't unique to private sector - public infrastructure suffers from underinvestment too. The same way that you get GCHP, coal, wind and solar infrastructure, or roads and rail infrastructure supported - long term backing from governments. > The proponents of nuclear fission often forget that greed and neglect runs rampant. And the opposers will point at the failures and ignore the huge successes of decades of low cost, low carbon electricity globally around the world. Looking at the UK (where I live, purely because I'm familiar with the situation here) the newest currently operating nuclear plant here was built in 1995, meanwhile the oldest gas plant in the country was built in 1993. The operating lifespan of the majority of these power stations has been 50 years, meanwhile we're still building them and struggling to build _one_ nuclear plant here in the last 30 years. So to answer your original question - stop having them build gas power plants and have them invest in nuclear plants instead.
- homonculus1 4y ago
  France is the poster child for what happens when green energy activists strangle the industry after it's built, as opposed to before.
adrianN 4y ago
They get 70% of their electricity from nuclear. Only about a third of France's power is nuclear: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/energy-consumption-by-source-and-region?country=~FRA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/energy-consumption-by-sou...
- shawabawa3 4y ago
  "power" means electricity A third of their energy usage is nuclear. This will change as electric cars become more common
  - adrianN 4y ago
    Yeah, it will go down. France is not building enough new nuclear to replace aging reactors. They'd have to build way more to replace oil and gas.

Over half our reactors are currently stopped because of various corrosion issues, we regularly have to stop some because of drought, etc. France might have been the poster child for nuclear energy, but it’s on the verge of becoming a poster child for what happens after you over rely on it for two decade.

jvanderbot 4y ago
Sure, they wear out. Nobody said otherwise. But I haven't heard of a major incident in either the US Navy or France, the nation.
maccard 4y ago
> but it’s on the verge of becoming a poster child for what happens after you over rely on it for two decade. No, it's on the verge of becoming a poster child for what happens if you _neglect it_ for two decades.
- danielbln 4y ago
  So, how do you get large energy conglomerates and oligopolies from neglecting this infrastructure? Mega corps, especially energy corps in the US, aren't exactly known for playing by the book and are very much known for cutting every available corner. The proponents of nuclear fission often forget that greed and neglect runs rampant.
  - maccard 4y ago
    > So, how do you get large energy conglomerates and oligopolies from neglecting this infrastructure? This isn't unique to private sector - public infrastructure suffers from underinvestment too. The same way that you get GCHP, coal, wind and solar infrastructure, or roads and rail infrastructure supported - long term backing from governments. > The proponents of nuclear fission often forget that greed and neglect runs rampant. And the opposers will point at the failures and ignore the huge successes of decades of low cost, low carbon electricity globally around the world. Looking at the UK (where I live, purely because I'm familiar with the situation here) the newest currently operating nuclear plant here was built in 1995, meanwhile the oldest gas plant in the country was built in 1993. The operating lifespan of the majority of these power stations has been 50 years, meanwhile we're still building them and struggling to build _one_ nuclear plant here in the last 30 years. So to answer your original question - stop having them build gas power plants and have them invest in nuclear plants instead.
homonculus1 4y ago
France is the poster child for what happens when green energy activists strangle the industry after it's built, as opposed to before.

adrianN 4y ago

They get 70% of their electricity from nuclear. Only about a third of France's power is nuclear: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/energy-consumption-by-source-and-region?country=~FRA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/energy-consumption-by-sou...

shawabawa3 4y ago
"power" means electricity A third of their energy usage is nuclear. This will change as electric cars become more common
- adrianN 4y ago
  Yeah, it will go down. France is not building enough new nuclear to replace aging reactors. They'd have to build way more to replace oil and gas.