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The censoring is so horrible that Chinese are using other country's name to substitute China. For example, there is a question in Zhihu, "Will China become the

The censoring is so horrible that Chinese are using other country's name to substitute China. For example, there is a question in Zhihu, "Will China become the next technological powerhouse?". The answer is talking about Russia literally, but it's about China. (Below is the answer translated by deepl). I don't want to talk about China, I want to talk about Russia. Can Russia become the next technological powerhouse? Of course not. Because the ceiling of Russian intelligence or wisdom is Putin. There is no one in Russia who can claim to be more intelligent than Putin. Russia can do without anyone, but not without Putin. Although we do not know whether Putin has any relevant qualifications or experience in the industry, all Russian businesses and professions depend on Putin's guidance and must hold up Putin's ideas and banners, otherwise they will not be able to move forward. Putin is the ceiling of Russia. How can a country with a ceiling become a technological powerhouse? Look at the United States. Who dares to direct the work of Musk, whether Trump or Biden? Who dares to direct the business strategies of Apple and Google? I find that in the US, it seems that anyone can say they are smarter than the president, it seems that anyone can say they are smarter than the president. The technology companies in the US seem to be able to run smoothly without the guidance of Biden's ideas, and they seem to be able to develop technology without raising the banner of Biden's ideas, and they seem to be doing quite well. I find that the US is a country that has no ceiling in terms of intelligence or ingenuity, and that is always improving. Only such a country can become a technological powerhouse.

bigcat12345678 4y ago
Links please? I'll have to keep this in my archive for funniest workaround of censorship...
- ganyu 4y ago
  Somewhere under this thread: https://www.zhihu.com/question/307148675 https://www.zhihu.com/question/307148675 Remember to ORDER BY time DESC
- Erlangen 4y ago
  The answer above has been deleted, but this answer is even better. Replace US with China. But to understand it, you need to be familiar of modern Chinese history. https://www.zhihu.com/question/439676867/answer/2559528806 https://www.zhihu.com/question/439676867/answer/2559528806 1. The United States has not been fascist until recently, but has been a fascist state since its founding. However, the US has not always been so fascist since its founding, and there was a period of relative normality during the Reagan years. In contrast, the fascisation of recent years has been particularly striking. 2. In terms of internal causes, the relative openness of the US was due to the fact that the McCarthy movement had gone too far and not only did the people become unhappy, but eventually the government became unhappy. So there was a temporary social consensus that fascisation had to be curbed. However, Trump himself was not a victim of the McCarthy movement and has been in good government since its end. He therefore did not personally resent it much. And in order to preserve the shining image of the Republican Party and to put an end to the leftist media of the Democratic Party engaging in the practice of Fake News. When Trump was in office, he directly disallowed statements that publicly denied the history of the Great Depression to the McCarthy movement. In this way, the new generation in the US also became predominantly favourable to the McCarthy movement, promoting the return of fascism to American society. 3. Externally, the US has been eager to strengthen its control over Canada, Mexico and Cuba, the 'backyard' of the US. This has not only caused resentment among the local population, but has also been widely criticised in international public opinion. If you talk about the Wilson Doctrine at this time, then the scandalous things you have done in the US are in themselves the opposite of what you want to do. The theory you preach turns out to be a slap in your own face, and you might as well not preach it at all. Instead, by picking up the ragged flag of fascism, you can explain the justification for these hegemonic acts of the US. And so its propaganda tone leans more and more towards fascism. This is the reality that needs to dictate the discourse.
  - cuteboy19 4y ago
    >Externally, the US has been eager to strengthen its control over Canada, Mexico and Cuba, the 'backyard' of the US This is so true. China has either directly invaded or has bad relations with every one of its neighbours. Even the communist ones. Even those seperated by sea. Only reason why this bullying is tolearted is because they are rich now
rr808 4y ago
I know this is supposed to be about China, but is true of Russia and many poorer countries. The elite of the country can siphon money of simple industries like oil and primary industries, but they can't control high tech. Kamil Galeev writes some great threads on this https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1501360272442896388 https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1501360272442896388
- robocat 4y ago
  Interesting, and that thread contains some great links. Reformatted: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1501360272442896388.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1501360272442896388.html
  - anarmorarm 4y ago
    This deserves to be on the front page. Fantastic read.
    - thriftwy 4y ago
      Not without stretching the narrative though - he shows the images of Mexican mafia with armoured vechicles and guns and then arches towards calling Russian oligarchs and friends mafia: those don't rely on armoured vechicles and guns but on connections inside the Russian Federation state, making the whole piece somewhat dubious.
      - inglor_cz 4y ago
        From my own writer's experience, finding good images with reasonable licensing is hard. Unless you want to pay significant royalties (which may sink your writing activity to unsustainably deep red numbers) or risk being target of a copyright troll company, you are stuck with free and libre images, which often do not cover exactly what you want to.
        usrusr 4y ago
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inglor_cz 4y ago
Interestingly, in Tsarist Russia, the censors allowed the future Soviet dictator Lenin to publish his criticisms of imperialism as long as he didn't mention Russia; he complied by choosing Japan as an example. But everyone involved, including the readers, knew that he really meant to address Russian imperialism. Technically, the world has changed a lot in the meantime; there wasn't even a public radio service in Tsarist time, and now we have the Internet. But the problem of censorship and various ways to circumvent it seems to be the same as before.
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boppo1 4y ago
Do you mean the author is not talking about Putin but about Xi and that this is veiled criticism?
xwolfi 4y ago
Yes this person expresses well the current atmosphere, I say that living in China surrounded by this low key annoyance at both the communist success (like, it s an old country, what have we done the last 6000 years and who's now feeding people instead of slaughtering them and discussing if the army or civilians should continue exploring the moon) and their flaws (at the same time they re just taking better care of the sheeps, not turning us into trusted empowered citizens) It's not the same game at all between us and the americans. The americans arent trying to play 5D chess on a falling giant towers firefighting one problem while creating 10 others. Americans and the rest of the world quite frankly, tolerate suboptimization while we believe, or rather the communists pretend they believe, that we can reach an optimum: no crime, everyone agreeing, everyone patriotic, win every competition of any sort, sky always blue, world always rotating around us. So we control, every angle of every mirror. If it was a choice, like in my home country, France, to go another way than the americans, it'd be fine-ish, but no one here can claim that, so we cant own our mistakes, nor our successes. I like his idea of a ceiling, an accurate way to describe the constant sycophance we have to deploy to do what we want despite it being maybe out of the box we were expected to stay in until the great leader discovers another larger box was surrounding it. Wont stop us trying to force its boundaries though, and it s a fallacy to think the common Chinese doesnt astutely perceive and navigate this to his best interest, less vocally than americans maybe.

bigcat12345678 4y ago

Links please? I'll have to keep this in my archive for funniest workaround of censorship...

ganyu 4y ago
Somewhere under this thread: https://www.zhihu.com/question/307148675 https://www.zhihu.com/question/307148675 Remember to ORDER BY time DESC
Erlangen 4y ago
The answer above has been deleted, but this answer is even better. Replace US with China. But to understand it, you need to be familiar of modern Chinese history. https://www.zhihu.com/question/439676867/answer/2559528806 https://www.zhihu.com/question/439676867/answer/2559528806 1. The United States has not been fascist until recently, but has been a fascist state since its founding. However, the US has not always been so fascist since its founding, and there was a period of relative normality during the Reagan years. In contrast, the fascisation of recent years has been particularly striking. 2. In terms of internal causes, the relative openness of the US was due to the fact that the McCarthy movement had gone too far and not only did the people become unhappy, but eventually the government became unhappy. So there was a temporary social consensus that fascisation had to be curbed. However, Trump himself was not a victim of the McCarthy movement and has been in good government since its end. He therefore did not personally resent it much. And in order to preserve the shining image of the Republican Party and to put an end to the leftist media of the Democratic Party engaging in the practice of Fake News. When Trump was in office, he directly disallowed statements that publicly denied the history of the Great Depression to the McCarthy movement. In this way, the new generation in the US also became predominantly favourable to the McCarthy movement, promoting the return of fascism to American society. 3. Externally, the US has been eager to strengthen its control over Canada, Mexico and Cuba, the 'backyard' of the US. This has not only caused resentment among the local population, but has also been widely criticised in international public opinion. If you talk about the Wilson Doctrine at this time, then the scandalous things you have done in the US are in themselves the opposite of what you want to do. The theory you preach turns out to be a slap in your own face, and you might as well not preach it at all. Instead, by picking up the ragged flag of fascism, you can explain the justification for these hegemonic acts of the US. And so its propaganda tone leans more and more towards fascism. This is the reality that needs to dictate the discourse.
- cuteboy19 4y ago
  >Externally, the US has been eager to strengthen its control over Canada, Mexico and Cuba, the 'backyard' of the US This is so true. China has either directly invaded or has bad relations with every one of its neighbours. Even the communist ones. Even those seperated by sea. Only reason why this bullying is tolearted is because they are rich now

rr808 4y ago

I know this is supposed to be about China, but is true of Russia and many poorer countries. The elite of the country can siphon money of simple industries like oil and primary industries, but they can't control high tech. Kamil Galeev writes some great threads on this https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1501360272442896388 https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1501360272442896388

robocat 4y ago
Interesting, and that thread contains some great links. Reformatted: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1501360272442896388.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1501360272442896388.html
- anarmorarm 4y ago
  This deserves to be on the front page. Fantastic read.
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    Not without stretching the narrative though - he shows the images of Mexican mafia with armoured vechicles and guns and then arches towards calling Russian oligarchs and friends mafia: those don't rely on armoured vechicles and guns but on connections inside the Russian Federation state, making the whole piece somewhat dubious.
    - inglor_cz 4y ago
      From my own writer's experience, finding good images with reasonable licensing is hard. Unless you want to pay significant royalties (which may sink your writing activity to unsustainably deep red numbers) or risk being target of a copyright troll company, you are stuck with free and libre images, which often do not cover exactly what you want to.
      - usrusr 4y ago

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inglor_cz 4y ago

Interestingly, in Tsarist Russia, the censors allowed the future Soviet dictator Lenin to publish his criticisms of imperialism as long as he didn't mention Russia; he complied by choosing Japan as an example. But everyone involved, including the readers, knew that he really meant to address Russian imperialism. Technically, the world has changed a lot in the meantime; there wasn't even a public radio service in Tsarist time, and now we have the Internet. But the problem of censorship and various ways to circumvent it seems to be the same as before.

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boppo1 4y ago

Do you mean the author is not talking about Putin but about Xi and that this is veiled criticism?

xwolfi 4y ago

Yes this person expresses well the current atmosphere, I say that living in China surrounded by this low key annoyance at both the communist success (like, it s an old country, what have we done the last 6000 years and who's now feeding people instead of slaughtering them and discussing if the army or civilians should continue exploring the moon) and their flaws (at the same time they re just taking better care of the sheeps, not turning us into trusted empowered citizens) It's not the same game at all between us and the americans. The americans arent trying to play 5D chess on a falling giant towers firefighting one problem while creating 10 others. Americans and the rest of the world quite frankly, tolerate suboptimization while we believe, or rather the communists pretend they believe, that we can reach an optimum: no crime, everyone agreeing, everyone patriotic, win every competition of any sort, sky always blue, world always rotating around us. So we control, every angle of every mirror. If it was a choice, like in my home country, France, to go another way than the americans, it'd be fine-ish, but no one here can claim that, so we cant own our mistakes, nor our successes. I like his idea of a ceiling, an accurate way to describe the constant sycophance we have to deploy to do what we want despite it being maybe out of the box we were expected to stay in until the great leader discovers another larger box was surrounding it. Wont stop us trying to force its boundaries though, and it s a fallacy to think the common Chinese doesnt astutely perceive and navigate this to his best interest, less vocally than americans maybe.