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From what little I unfortunately saw from him on twitter, this guy is the Russian equivalent of a hardcore Nazi.
by mmastrac 4y ago
From what little I unfortunately saw from him on twitter, this guy is the Russian equivalent of a hardcore Nazi.
- gdy 4y agoWhat do you mean specifically?
- bvrmn 4y agoRogozin is a member of ultra-right movement. Like real "Russia for russians" and similar BS.
- gdy 4y agoI haven't heard anything like that from him for 15 years.
- bvrmn 4y agoWith new assignment we definitely hear something about non-existing Ukrainian nation. There is no such thing like former nazi.
- CoastalCoder 4y ago> There is no such thing like former nazi. Here's one counterexample: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansi,_the_Girl_who_Loved_the_Swastika https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansi,_the_Girl_who_Loved_the_...
- tut-urut-utut 4y agoOf course there is, one of them was the founder of our space program. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun
- hgazx 4y agoWhy is “Russia for Russians” bs? Sounds like a reasonable thing to say even if you disagree.
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- r721 4y agoThis slogan implies that ethnic minorities (19% of Russia's population [1]) are not welcome in their home country. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia
- lotusmars 4y agoThis is a slogan used mostly by Russian neo-Nazis, but quietly supported by sizeable parts of general population. It’s has a few connotations. The mildest is proposing to throw all colored people out of the cities. The most severe is to exterminate them.
- the_only_law 4y ago> Sounds like a reasonable thing to say even if you disagree. pretty sure many Turkic, Mongolic, etc. people lived in what is now Russia long before a Russian state existed. That's treating the phrase an an ethnic thing, you might say "well clearly they mean Russian as a Nationality" but in that case Russia already belongs to Russians.
- gdy 4y agoRussia is a multi-ethnic country and slogans like that are destructive.
- orbital-decay 4y agoIn Russian, there's a distinction between русские (ethnical Russians) and россияне (Russian nationals/citizens) which doesn't map to English well - it's Russians either way in it. This slogan implies the former (ethnical Russians), and was declared extremist long ago, for a reason. This distinction is a very frequent source of misunderstanding for both native speakers and English speakers, as Russians might hear one where you imply another, and vice versa.
- r721 4y agoHere's a recent episode (he was banned from Twitter for that): "Dmitry Rogozin (Director General of Russia’s Roskosmos State Space Agency, former Deputy Prime Minister) – comments on his Twitter feed and Telegram channel (June 13, 2022) “In general, what has grown up in the place of Ukraine is an existential threat to the Russian people, Russian history, Russian language and Russian civilization. If we do not put an end to them, as, unfortunately, our grandfathers did not do away with them, we will have to die, but end up at an even greater cost to our grandchildren. So let’s get this over with. Once and forever. For our grandchildren.”" https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rhetoric-against-ukraine-a-collection/ https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rh... He also was a leader of right-wing party Rodina in early 2000s, see more details in Wikipedia: >Under Rogozin, Rodina shifted towards the right wing of Russian politics and became the second largest and one of the country's most successful parties. A number of controversies on Rogozin's policies culminated in it being banned in 2005 from standing for election to the Moscow City Duma for using what was considered as chauvinist slogan 'Let's Clean the Garbage!'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Rogozin#Early_career https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Rogozin#Early_career
- CoastalCoder 4y ago(I really hope my intent with this comment isn't misunderstood.) I think I've been hasty to judge other people's positions in the past. I'm guilty of confidently stating a view on a topic despite knowing that I haven't taken the time to really understand the others' position. Probably 80% of the time, my final conclusion matches my initial one. But I'm trying to become more responsible about this kind of thing. So to that end... I'd like to understand Rogozin's reasons for holding those beliefs. I know basically nothing about that region's history. Is he working from bad factual / historical data? Has he been exposed to specific propaganda / psy-ops? Has he seen or experienced something traumatic that makes him hyper-vigilant about Ukranian leadership or non-Russians in general?
- r721 4y agoPersonally I think this is quite close to truth: >People say though that Rogozin is not a big believer in anything, he’s just a huge cynical careerist coming from a very privileged nomenclature background riding any wave that brings him to the top. Right now he’s one of the major pro-war hawks. (quote from this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32108578 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32108578)
- theflyinghorse 4y agoWhat gave you that impression? I seldom hear of him, but it's usually in the context of him writing something silly on twitte
- elliekelly 4y agoI'm not the person you're replying to but Rogozin is an actual neo-Nazi: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-racist/russian-ultra-nationalists-rally-as-police-watch-idUSL2851145120070128 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-racist/russian-ult... Someone else in this thread linked a video of him giving the Nazi salute (is there a name for this?) after his speech at the rally mentioned in the Reuters article. I can't think of any reason someone would attend or speak at such an event, let alone salute like that at such an event, aside from being a neo-Nazi.
- gdy 4y agoIs there anything newer than an article from 2007?
- The_suffocated 4y agoThe Nazi salute is called the “Bellamy salute” ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute ), which actually was an American invention.
- orbital-decay 4y agoNot sure why you're being downvoted. The guy is a long-time far right activist (and a journo by education and trade, no connections to aerospace whatsoever). His twitter reflects that perfectly, at least in Russian. His appointment as a head of space industry was unexpected, to put it mildly, especially at the time when Kremlin was stomping on nationalists.
- lotusmars 4y agoYeah, he was heading actual Nazi parades. There are enough videos on YouTube with him at the rallies wearing a leather jacket with saluting neo-Nazis around. He also uses N-words and F-words freely. He first gained notoriety at 2003 parliament elections leading a pro-Putin ultranationalist party Rodina. One of Rodina’s TV ads were comparing Caucausus people to street trash. People say though that Rogozin is not a big believer in anything, he’s just a huge cynical careerist coming from a very privileged nomenclature background riding any wave that brings him to the top. Right now he’s one of the major pro-war hawks.
- theplumber 4y ago>> N-words and F-words freely. What are the F words? Fascist?
- lotusmars 4y agoA slur word used against gay people.
- sam_lowry_ 4y agoHm... my English is not good enough to guess it :-( As for the N-word, there is a similarly sounding but fairly neutral Russian word which was OK to use until the influence of the US culture tarnished it.
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