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Reliable steering requires aerodynamics requires quite a lot of mathematical development, plus considerable precision engineering. And it's extremely dangerous,

Reliable steering requires aerodynamics requires quite a lot of mathematical development, plus considerable precision engineering. And it's extremely dangerous, a lot of people did die trying to make steerable kites.

zabzonk 4y ago
> quite a lot of mathematical development, plus considerable precision engineering Not sure the Wright brothers would be with you on this - neither were maths guys and their aircraft were hardly precision-built.
- morelisp 4y ago
  And what, there's nobody between Archimedes and the Wright Brothers I could have been referring to? Whatever...
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- dredmorbius 4y ago
  The Wrights did extensive experimentation, on both models an full-sized prototypes. They built the first wind tunnel and developed calculations for lift and propeller thrust. They also practiced fairly rapid design iteration, trying out ideas and adapting to actual experience. What they arrived at worked, though it was far from ideal and doesn't much resemble modern aircraft (beyond the notion of wings and the rough principles of control surfaces). Once other designers / engineers entered the field, and with more reliable engines, further iteration advanced rapidly. Military aircraft played a significant role in WWI, only a decade after the Wright's first powered flight.
- slightknack 4y ago
  > He identified the four forces which act on a heavier-than-air flying vehicle: weight, lift, drag and thrust. [...] He also designed the first glider reliably reported to carry a human aloft. He correctly predicted that sustained flight would not occur until a lightweight engine was developed to provide adequate thrust and lift. The Wright brothers acknowledged his importance to the development of aviation. — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Cayley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Cayley I think by the time the Wright brothers came around, the general theory for powered flight was in place. The Wright Flyer was precision engineered, compared to most 'kites' that came before it. It's not every day you see an internal combustion engine on a kite.
  - notahacker 4y ago
    > It's not every day you see an internal combustion engine on a kite. Yup. The engine was more important than the understanding of the principles of propulsion too: even if the four forces had been identified by Aristotle, that wouldn't have been much use in achieving sustained powered flight to civilisations whose closest approximation of a propellor powered by a turbine engine was a waterwheel.
pbhjpbhj 4y ago
Hang gliders seem quite imprecise, https://www.google.com/search?q=bamboo+framed+hang+glider https://www.google.com/search?q=bamboo+framed+hang+glider

zabzonk 4y ago

> quite a lot of mathematical development, plus considerable precision engineering Not sure the Wright brothers would be with you on this - neither were maths guys and their aircraft were hardly precision-built.

morelisp 4y ago
And what, there's nobody between Archimedes and the Wright Brothers I could have been referring to? Whatever...
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dredmorbius 4y ago
The Wrights did extensive experimentation, on both models an full-sized prototypes. They built the first wind tunnel and developed calculations for lift and propeller thrust. They also practiced fairly rapid design iteration, trying out ideas and adapting to actual experience. What they arrived at worked, though it was far from ideal and doesn't much resemble modern aircraft (beyond the notion of wings and the rough principles of control surfaces). Once other designers / engineers entered the field, and with more reliable engines, further iteration advanced rapidly. Military aircraft played a significant role in WWI, only a decade after the Wright's first powered flight.
slightknack 4y ago
> He identified the four forces which act on a heavier-than-air flying vehicle: weight, lift, drag and thrust. [...] He also designed the first glider reliably reported to carry a human aloft. He correctly predicted that sustained flight would not occur until a lightweight engine was developed to provide adequate thrust and lift. The Wright brothers acknowledged his importance to the development of aviation. — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Cayley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Cayley I think by the time the Wright brothers came around, the general theory for powered flight was in place. The Wright Flyer was precision engineered, compared to most 'kites' that came before it. It's not every day you see an internal combustion engine on a kite.
- notahacker 4y ago
  > It's not every day you see an internal combustion engine on a kite. Yup. The engine was more important than the understanding of the principles of propulsion too: even if the four forces had been identified by Aristotle, that wouldn't have been much use in achieving sustained powered flight to civilisations whose closest approximation of a propellor powered by a turbine engine was a waterwheel.

pbhjpbhj 4y ago

Hang gliders seem quite imprecise, https://www.google.com/search?q=bamboo+framed+hang+glider https://www.google.com/search?q=bamboo+framed+hang+glider