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> Long covid, and greater impact on certain individuals were well known by that point. "Long covid" is not defined. There is no test. There is no objective sig

by timr 4y ago

> Long covid, and greater impact on certain individuals were well known by that point. "Long covid" is not defined. There is no test. There is no objective signature. Literally anyone can claim that they have it, and not be wrong. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I'm telling you that we have no idea how prevalent "it" is, and we don't have any idea how "it" compares to the consequences of other common respiratory illnesses. We've simply never bothered to look, and uncontrolled studies where someone enumerates a long list of things that happened after Covid, in a large group of people, are not evidence of those things being caused by Covid. Said differently: if you have a nearly ubiquitous illness, how can you say anything about causality regarding anything that follows? So what we have here is a pile of questionable research, a large group of people who are scared and demanding that action be taken, and politicians who are more than willing to "take action" by pushing aside, censoring, and otherwise bullying the scientists who stand in the way of their actions.

ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
>I'm not saying it doesn't exist okay, well, others with relevant qualifications are saying it DOES exist, so since nobody seems to be saying it doesn't, I guess we can go with their expert conclusions.
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- origin_path 4y ago
  The point of the article is that people with relevant qualifications are saying things like that, whilst also saying in private "this is wrong but I just need to get to retirement". Pretty much anything public health people say on the topic of COVID turns out to be wrong on close inspection. It's really astounding. Even very basic things like getting an actual clinical definition of COVID itself (let alone long COVID) turns out to be impossible, which is why the official definition governments use is "got a positive on a COVID test". That's not actually a disease symptom but COVID isn't defined by symptoms any more than long COVID is. The reason this happens is that public health is an authoritarian collectivist concept - the government will make decisions for the collective good even if individuals must suffer as a consequence. The entire culture of that space is dominated by a mindset that says, "we will obtain compliance by making scientific sounding claims, because people respect science and will follow it". That's why COVID research is so full of conflicting and nonsensical claims.
  - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
    - dang 4y ago
      Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? You've been doing it a ton, unfortunately—dozens in this thread alone, and many more in your account's recent history. In fact, I found it hard to find even one post that wasn't somehow flamey, prickly, or swipey. This is not what HN is for. We want curious conversation here. It also looks like you've been using the site primarily for political and ideological battle, and that's a line at which we ban accounts. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. For past explanations about that, see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme.... If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

by timr 4y ago

ImPostingOnHN 4y ago

>I'm not saying it doesn't exist okay, well, others with relevant qualifications are saying it DOES exist, so since nobody seems to be saying it doesn't, I guess we can go with their expert conclusions.

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origin_path 4y ago
The point of the article is that people with relevant qualifications are saying things like that, whilst also saying in private "this is wrong but I just need to get to retirement". Pretty much anything public health people say on the topic of COVID turns out to be wrong on close inspection. It's really astounding. Even very basic things like getting an actual clinical definition of COVID itself (let alone long COVID) turns out to be impossible, which is why the official definition governments use is "got a positive on a COVID test". That's not actually a disease symptom but COVID isn't defined by symptoms any more than long COVID is. The reason this happens is that public health is an authoritarian collectivist concept - the government will make decisions for the collective good even if individuals must suffer as a consequence. The entire culture of that space is dominated by a mindset that says, "we will obtain compliance by making scientific sounding claims, because people respect science and will follow it". That's why COVID research is so full of conflicting and nonsensical claims.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  - dang 4y ago
    Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? You've been doing it a ton, unfortunately—dozens in this thread alone, and many more in your account's recent history. In fact, I found it hard to find even one post that wasn't somehow flamey, prickly, or swipey. This is not what HN is for. We want curious conversation here. It also looks like you've been using the site primarily for political and ideological battle, and that's a line at which we ban accounts. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. For past explanations about that, see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme.... If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.