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They don’t because there isn’t. It’s just idiotic medical security theater. Unless the right masks are worn correctly 100% of the time, which lets be honest is

by rajup 4y ago

They don’t because there isn’t. It’s just idiotic medical security theater. Unless the right masks are worn correctly 100% of the time, which lets be honest is not happening. I guess this is how superstitions start in a sense…

lemmsjid 4y ago
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/mandatory-masking-schools-reduced-covid-19-cases-during-delta-surge https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/mandatory-mask... “In the current study, most COVID-19 cases among students and staff were acquired from the community and approximately 10% of cases were acquired within school. The researchers found that for every 100 community-acquired cases, school districts with mandatory masking had approximately 7.3 cases of in-school infections, while optionally masked districts had 26.4 cases of in-school infections. In other words, school districts with optional masking had approximately 3.6 times the rate of in-school COVID-19 cases when compared to schools with mandatory masking. These data also show that mandatory masking was associated with a 72% reduction of in-school COVID-19 cases, compared to districts with optional masking.” From Pediatrics: https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/149/6/e2022056687/185379/School-Masking-Policies-and-Secondary-SARS-CoV-2?autologincheck=redirected https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/149/6/e20220...
- peteradio 4y ago
  Who cares about in-school infections when community spread is 10x higher? What was the total spread in mandated vs freed districts? Was it significantly different?
  - lemmsjid 4y ago
    Well… me for one? We were limiting the Covid exposure of my daughter’s grandparents as much as possible and the school’s masking policy helped limit that exposure vector. And another, the teachers and staff, who we care about greatly. I don’t know that masking in schools was the best idea. In my limited purview I think it was a good idea in our child’s school, because things seemed to go well overall. I was responding to the GP who appears to think it’s idiocy to even countenance the idea because there are no studies, when there are, and that it’s so wrong that it’s a form of superstition.
epgui 4y ago
Actually there have been a ton of studies of all kinds. It would take weeks to do a proper review of the literature.
Dylan16807 4y ago
> Unless the right masks are worn correctly 100% of the time, which lets be honest is not happening. That argument doesn't make any sense. Why would masks have to be worn correctly 100% of the time, otherwise it's theater? If a type of mask works well at 100% use, it probably also works pretty well at 85% use.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  agreed, the arbitrary requirement of 100% effectivensss seems like the nirvana fallacy to me
- rajup 4y ago
  Well if it’s not 100% we should carefully balance the actual benefits it provides vs the freedoms we are asking people to give up and the associated inconveniences. And before you tell me “oh it’s just a minor inconvenience”, no it’s not. It may be for you, but I hate that I have to breathe my stale exhalation, hate that I can’t hear people wearing masks clearly, hate that I can’t see peoples facial expressions when they speak, hate that I get out of breath wearing them. Added to this sometimes is a self-righteous attitude from some mask wearers who can’t tell a virus from a bacteria. These are the questions that should be asked and answered, but asking such questions suddenly labels you as an anti-science moron which is very ironic. Edit: oh and forgot to mention that I hate how much masks (reusable cloth masks are a placebo) add to an already horrible trash situation. Funny no one cares much about this.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    > Well if it’s not 100% we should carefully balance the actual benefits it provides vs the freedoms we are asking people to give up and the associated inconveniences. ...sure? We should balance that no matter what the effectiveness is.
    - rajup 4y ago
      Great, glad we agree. Do you see that happening right now?

by rajup 4y ago

lemmsjid 4y ago

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/mandatory-masking-schools-reduced-covid-19-cases-during-delta-surge https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/mandatory-mask... “In the current study, most COVID-19 cases among students and staff were acquired from the community and approximately 10% of cases were acquired within school. The researchers found that for every 100 community-acquired cases, school districts with mandatory masking had approximately 7.3 cases of in-school infections, while optionally masked districts had 26.4 cases of in-school infections. In other words, school districts with optional masking had approximately 3.6 times the rate of in-school COVID-19 cases when compared to schools with mandatory masking. These data also show that mandatory masking was associated with a 72% reduction of in-school COVID-19 cases, compared to districts with optional masking.” From Pediatrics: https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/149/6/e2022056687/185379/School-Masking-Policies-and-Secondary-SARS-CoV-2?autologincheck=redirected https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/149/6/e20220...

peteradio 4y ago
Who cares about in-school infections when community spread is 10x higher? What was the total spread in mandated vs freed districts? Was it significantly different?
- lemmsjid 4y ago
  Well… me for one? We were limiting the Covid exposure of my daughter’s grandparents as much as possible and the school’s masking policy helped limit that exposure vector. And another, the teachers and staff, who we care about greatly. I don’t know that masking in schools was the best idea. In my limited purview I think it was a good idea in our child’s school, because things seemed to go well overall. I was responding to the GP who appears to think it’s idiocy to even countenance the idea because there are no studies, when there are, and that it’s so wrong that it’s a form of superstition.

epgui 4y ago

Actually there have been a ton of studies of all kinds. It would take weeks to do a proper review of the literature.

Dylan16807 4y ago

> Unless the right masks are worn correctly 100% of the time, which lets be honest is not happening. That argument doesn't make any sense. Why would masks have to be worn correctly 100% of the time, otherwise it's theater? If a type of mask works well at 100% use, it probably also works pretty well at 85% use.

ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
agreed, the arbitrary requirement of 100% effectivensss seems like the nirvana fallacy to me
rajup 4y ago
Well if it’s not 100% we should carefully balance the actual benefits it provides vs the freedoms we are asking people to give up and the associated inconveniences. And before you tell me “oh it’s just a minor inconvenience”, no it’s not. It may be for you, but I hate that I have to breathe my stale exhalation, hate that I can’t hear people wearing masks clearly, hate that I can’t see peoples facial expressions when they speak, hate that I get out of breath wearing them. Added to this sometimes is a self-righteous attitude from some mask wearers who can’t tell a virus from a bacteria. These are the questions that should be asked and answered, but asking such questions suddenly labels you as an anti-science moron which is very ironic. Edit: oh and forgot to mention that I hate how much masks (reusable cloth masks are a placebo) add to an already horrible trash situation. Funny no one cares much about this.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  > Well if it’s not 100% we should carefully balance the actual benefits it provides vs the freedoms we are asking people to give up and the associated inconveniences. ...sure? We should balance that no matter what the effectiveness is.
  - rajup 4y ago
    Great, glad we agree. Do you see that happening right now?