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I am not saying you are wrong and in my original comment I was careful to specify that I was not attempting to downplay its significance. With that said in my p

I am not saying you are wrong and in my original comment I was careful to specify that I was not attempting to downplay its significance. With that said in my personal experience Covid hit me like the flu. I had an elevated temperature for a couple days, was achy and tired. Affected my kids and spouse in the same way. If someone wants to vaccinate their kids, that's their choice and I'll be the last person to disparage that choice. Personally I don't see the need.

HWR_14 4y ago
- landemva 4y ago
  I am in decent health. My Dr. and I discussed it, and there is no compelling reason for me to get yearly flu shots. I also avoid high fructose corn syrup. My body, my choice.
  - Johnny555 4y ago
    >I am in decent health. My Dr. and I discussed it, and there is no compelling reason for me to get yearly flu shots. That might be the right personal decision, but it ignores the public health aspect -- getting the flu shot will help reduce your chance of contracting and spreading the flu to others.
  - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
    is there a compelling reason to avoid it?
    - peteradio 4y ago
      This is a losers life strategy: do anything anybody tells you to unless you can mount a vigorous rhetorical explanation for "why not". Generally speaking you should be talked into things and have a good sense for when to proceed with caution. New pharmaceuticals aren't the same thing as pickin up nickels on the sidewalk.
      - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
        > This is a losers life strategy: do anything anybody tells you to unless you can mount a vigorous rhetorical explanation for "why not" More like a loser's life strategy is avoiding everything anybody tells you to avoid until someone can mount a vigorous explanation for why you should do it. If you have no reason to not get it, and "maybe getting slightly less sick" as a reason to get it, ordinary people simply do the cost-benefit equation there and come to the conclusion that most people do: that getting it is better than not getting it
        peteradio 4y ago
        > "maybe getting slightly less sick" as a reason to get it You are barking up the wrong tree if that is my upside. I get sick all the time, I got kids in daycare and school, its just a fact of life. I don't ever know what I got or if maybe I'm not getting enough sleep or a bit hungover. I don't need a pharmaceutical for anything that ails me, yet. Ordinary people under 50 doing the cost benefit analysis might rightly come to the conclusion that there is no medical or social benefit to getting the vaccine. Can you learn to respect that or is this vaccine really a must have for anybody?
        ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
        peteradio 4y ago
        I assert most people <50 made their decision sans data analysis, if that's true then I'm above the mean in that regard.
        ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
        given that even you, someone who has decided not to receive a vaccination, are thusfar unable to articulate any significant downsides, it is unlikely that the average person would believe there to be any
    - wonderwonder 4y ago
      Is the answer to this question known? There has not been enough time to observe if there are long-term consequences to children taking the vaccine. I am not against vaccination but I think simply wanting to wait and see what happens is a very valid response.
      - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
        wonderwonder 4y ago
        Some are vocal in claiming they know on both sides. Personally I don't know so I will err on what in my mind is the side of caution and hold off on getting my kids vaccinated. Others may choose a different approach and see the cautious move as getting them vaccinated. There is just no way to know and each family has to make its own decisions. Everyone should respect each other's choices and know they are coming from a place of concern for their children.
        ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
        some are vocal in claiming others do not know a thing, when it is in fact the vocal person who does not know, so thank you for not claiming others don't know and admitting you don't. what cost:benefit analysis leads you to believe that your approach is cautious, rather than incautious, as those with a different cost:benefit analysis might consider it?
        wonderwonder 4y ago
        Friend at this point in time you appear to be intentionally obtuse on what I said. All the answers to your questions are in my prior post. All the best.
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  Never taken the flu vaccine and neither have my kids. All is well so far. Its ok to just get sick sometimes. My family and I are relatively young and in good health. When I am older I will consider vaccinating against the flu as my risk factors will be higher. I am all for vaccines for things such as polio, measles, etc. I just see no need to use a vaccine currently that is formulated to protect against a specific strain of a virus that constantly changes rendering the vaccine less effective or just as effective as getting the viral infection would render me. I'm fine getting the flu or covid once a year or every couple years, it has truly never been a big deal. The bodies immune system is pretty ok. I would argue that ensuring you are physically fit provides a similar amount of protection against covid's affect as the vaccine. Plus I have had covid now so I have antibodies as well.
  - HWR_14 4y ago
    - wonderwonder 4y ago
      I try to avoid getting injected with medication that I don't believe I need. This applies 100x to my kids. This is just a personal choice, I support anyone that wants to vaccinate their family againstcovid or the flu. Covid is unfortunately here to stay and mutates rapidly reducing vaccine effectiveness. Best defense where possible is to ensure you and your family are physically fit and healthy. " I mean, being sick is worse than not being sick. Right?" Is it? Sometimes it's ok to get sick, its just part of being alive. I'm ok with my kids being under the weather for a few days while the long term effects of the vaccine are still being observed. It's impossible to know long term affects of a novel vaccine in such a short period. Both my kids got covid, 1 showed no symptoms the other had flu like symptoms of 4 days. Wife and I also had flu symptoms.
    - peteradio 4y ago
      Efficacy is based on health outcomes, you are wrong that protection from prior infection lasts shorter than vaccine, or I am unaware of the source of your claim. Protection is based on more than bloodborne antibodies.

HWR_14 4y ago

landemva 4y ago
I am in decent health. My Dr. and I discussed it, and there is no compelling reason for me to get yearly flu shots. I also avoid high fructose corn syrup. My body, my choice.
- Johnny555 4y ago
  >I am in decent health. My Dr. and I discussed it, and there is no compelling reason for me to get yearly flu shots. That might be the right personal decision, but it ignores the public health aspect -- getting the flu shot will help reduce your chance of contracting and spreading the flu to others.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  is there a compelling reason to avoid it?
  - peteradio 4y ago
    This is a losers life strategy: do anything anybody tells you to unless you can mount a vigorous rhetorical explanation for "why not". Generally speaking you should be talked into things and have a good sense for when to proceed with caution. New pharmaceuticals aren't the same thing as pickin up nickels on the sidewalk.
    - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
      > This is a losers life strategy: do anything anybody tells you to unless you can mount a vigorous rhetorical explanation for "why not" More like a loser's life strategy is avoiding everything anybody tells you to avoid until someone can mount a vigorous explanation for why you should do it. If you have no reason to not get it, and "maybe getting slightly less sick" as a reason to get it, ordinary people simply do the cost-benefit equation there and come to the conclusion that most people do: that getting it is better than not getting it
      - peteradio 4y ago
        > "maybe getting slightly less sick" as a reason to get it You are barking up the wrong tree if that is my upside. I get sick all the time, I got kids in daycare and school, its just a fact of life. I don't ever know what I got or if maybe I'm not getting enough sleep or a bit hungover. I don't need a pharmaceutical for anything that ails me, yet. Ordinary people under 50 doing the cost benefit analysis might rightly come to the conclusion that there is no medical or social benefit to getting the vaccine. Can you learn to respect that or is this vaccine really a must have for anybody?
        ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
        peteradio 4y ago
        I assert most people <50 made their decision sans data analysis, if that's true then I'm above the mean in that regard.
        ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
        given that even you, someone who has decided not to receive a vaccination, are thusfar unable to articulate any significant downsides, it is unlikely that the average person would believe there to be any
  - wonderwonder 4y ago
    Is the answer to this question known? There has not been enough time to observe if there are long-term consequences to children taking the vaccine. I am not against vaccination but I think simply wanting to wait and see what happens is a very valid response.
    - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
      - wonderwonder 4y ago
        Some are vocal in claiming they know on both sides. Personally I don't know so I will err on what in my mind is the side of caution and hold off on getting my kids vaccinated. Others may choose a different approach and see the cautious move as getting them vaccinated. There is just no way to know and each family has to make its own decisions. Everyone should respect each other's choices and know they are coming from a place of concern for their children.
        ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
        some are vocal in claiming others do not know a thing, when it is in fact the vocal person who does not know, so thank you for not claiming others don't know and admitting you don't. what cost:benefit analysis leads you to believe that your approach is cautious, rather than incautious, as those with a different cost:benefit analysis might consider it?
        wonderwonder 4y ago
        Friend at this point in time you appear to be intentionally obtuse on what I said. All the answers to your questions are in my prior post. All the best.
wonderwonder 4y ago
Never taken the flu vaccine and neither have my kids. All is well so far. Its ok to just get sick sometimes. My family and I are relatively young and in good health. When I am older I will consider vaccinating against the flu as my risk factors will be higher. I am all for vaccines for things such as polio, measles, etc. I just see no need to use a vaccine currently that is formulated to protect against a specific strain of a virus that constantly changes rendering the vaccine less effective or just as effective as getting the viral infection would render me. I'm fine getting the flu or covid once a year or every couple years, it has truly never been a big deal. The bodies immune system is pretty ok. I would argue that ensuring you are physically fit provides a similar amount of protection against covid's affect as the vaccine. Plus I have had covid now so I have antibodies as well.
- HWR_14 4y ago
  - wonderwonder 4y ago
    I try to avoid getting injected with medication that I don't believe I need. This applies 100x to my kids. This is just a personal choice, I support anyone that wants to vaccinate their family againstcovid or the flu. Covid is unfortunately here to stay and mutates rapidly reducing vaccine effectiveness. Best defense where possible is to ensure you and your family are physically fit and healthy. " I mean, being sick is worse than not being sick. Right?" Is it? Sometimes it's ok to get sick, its just part of being alive. I'm ok with my kids being under the weather for a few days while the long term effects of the vaccine are still being observed. It's impossible to know long term affects of a novel vaccine in such a short period. Both my kids got covid, 1 showed no symptoms the other had flu like symptoms of 4 days. Wife and I also had flu symptoms.
  - peteradio 4y ago
    Efficacy is based on health outcomes, you are wrong that protection from prior infection lasts shorter than vaccine, or I am unaware of the source of your claim. Protection is based on more than bloodborne antibodies.