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Same decree issued by telco authority here in Finland. Nice combo with the mandatory data retention laws (must use isp mail servers + isp must keep and hand out

by hutler 15y ago

Same decree issued by telco authority here in Finland. Nice combo with the mandatory data retention laws (must use isp mail servers + isp must keep and hand out logs to authorities).

marvin 15y ago
That's actually pretty sinister. I'm in Norway, and although there hasn't been any push to centralize and consolidate the e-mail servers in the name of spam, the EU data retention directive was passed here in April after lots of resistance. I hoped that our neighbors were in a better position to fight these attacks on liberty online. Is privacy on the web really under this much pressure in Finland?
- mike-cardwell 15y ago
  You may consider it sinister, but it's a fairly common practice all over the World for residential ISPs.
  - Daniel_Newby 15y ago
    "Must use archiving ISP mail servers" is sinister.
    - mike-cardwell 15y ago
      "Potentially troubling" maybe. I see no evidence that their motives are sinister.
    - baudehlo 15y ago
      Email is a postcard, not a securely sealed envelope. If you want it to be securely sealed use PGP, then the archiving doesn't matter.
- haakon 15y ago
  Finland is pretty bad when it comes to these things. They block political criticism against its web censorship policy: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikinews/en/wiki/Finnish_internet_censorship_critic_blacklisted https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikinews/en/wiki/Finnish_intern...
vitalysh 15y ago
I'm on Sonera network at home and able to use port 25. Although at work Elisa blocks it, so I guess it is per ISP basis.
- hutler 15y ago
  Interesting. Other people are reporting on their forums that port 25 is allowed only to their own mail servers (http://www5.sonera.fi/keskustele/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=102 http://www5.sonera.fi/keskustele/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=10... ). More similar references are easily found using google.
  - vitalysh 15y ago
    I'm on HOAS(provided by Sonera) network, I guess maybe thats why.

by hutler 15y ago

Same decree issued by telco authority here in Finland. Nice combo with the mandatory data retention laws (must use isp mail servers + isp must keep and hand out logs to authorities).

marvin 15y ago

That's actually pretty sinister. I'm in Norway, and although there hasn't been any push to centralize and consolidate the e-mail servers in the name of spam, the EU data retention directive was passed here in April after lots of resistance. I hoped that our neighbors were in a better position to fight these attacks on liberty online. Is privacy on the web really under this much pressure in Finland?

mike-cardwell 15y ago
You may consider it sinister, but it's a fairly common practice all over the World for residential ISPs.
- Daniel_Newby 15y ago
  "Must use archiving ISP mail servers" is sinister.
  - mike-cardwell 15y ago
    "Potentially troubling" maybe. I see no evidence that their motives are sinister.
  - baudehlo 15y ago
    Email is a postcard, not a securely sealed envelope. If you want it to be securely sealed use PGP, then the archiving doesn't matter.
haakon 15y ago
Finland is pretty bad when it comes to these things. They block political criticism against its web censorship policy: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikinews/en/wiki/Finnish_internet_censorship_critic_blacklisted https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikinews/en/wiki/Finnish_intern...

vitalysh 15y ago

I'm on Sonera network at home and able to use port 25. Although at work Elisa blocks it, so I guess it is per ISP basis.

hutler 15y ago
Interesting. Other people are reporting on their forums that port 25 is allowed only to their own mail servers (http://www5.sonera.fi/keskustele/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=102 http://www5.sonera.fi/keskustele/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=10... ). More similar references are easily found using google.
- vitalysh 15y ago
  I'm on HOAS(provided by Sonera) network, I guess maybe thats why.