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I have no idea if this is a valid article, the use of so many anonymous sources made me doubt every word. For all I know they are quoting someone on reddit clai

I have no idea if this is a valid article, the use of so many anonymous sources made me doubt every word. For all I know they are quoting someone on reddit claiming to work for the cdc. Every quote could have just been made up. It very much just appears to be opinion pretending to be news. With that said, I do agree with the proposal that if a kid has already had covid then why vaccinate them if the general consensus is that the vaccines only provide limited protection for a few months. All for vaccinating high risk people and I am vaccinated against covid with a booster from when they first came out but will not get another booster now that I have already had Covid. Omicron in general for most people is no worse than the flu, unpleasant but bearable. I fully understand the rush to vaccinate adults in the beginning when Delta was raging and we had limited understanding of the virus. Luckily Omicron is dominant now it seems to be much less damaging. This is not to downplay the very real consequences and deaths that do occur still from Covid. At this point in time my whole family has had it and I have accepted it as endemic and moved on.

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tzs 4y ago
> Omicron in general for most people is no worse than the flu, unpleasant but bearable. Flu in the US kills around 12k to 50k per year, with a particularly bad year every few decades getting up to maybe 80k. Omicron killed somewhere between 150k and 250k in the US in less than a year, and that was with free vaccines that were highly effective against death easily available to pretty much everyone who was not a young child. That doesn't sound like no worse than the flu to me.
- jussij 4y ago
  Another big difference is how much pressure COVID can exert on the hospital system. The COVID hospitalization rates are magnitudes larger than the worst ever flu season.
  - azinman2 4y ago
    Don’t forget long covid is estimated at roughly 20%, which is quite significant.
    - cf141q5325 4y ago
      Which vaccines have very little influence on. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01453-0 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01453-0 relating to the study https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01840-0 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01840-0
      - azinman2 4y ago
        That’s not what the thread is about: > Omicron in general for most people is no worse than the flu, unpleasant but bearable.
        cf141q5325 4y ago
        I know, i was agreeing with you. The long covid numbers are what makes COVID worse. I was pointing out that there is no way around those.
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  - mrhands556 4y ago
    From covid or with Covid? Covid is treated differently than the flu in healthcare. They naturally have been testing all admissions for Covid. If someone comes in for a broken arm and test positive, then they’re counted against the Covid numbers. Flu numbers typically are a small sample size and extrapolated based on respiratory-like illness admissions in hospitals nationwide.
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  I am not saying you are wrong and in my original comment I was careful to specify that I was not attempting to downplay its significance. With that said in my personal experience Covid hit me like the flu. I had an elevated temperature for a couple days, was achy and tired. Affected my kids and spouse in the same way. If someone wants to vaccinate their kids, that's their choice and I'll be the last person to disparage that choice. Personally I don't see the need.
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    - landemva 4y ago
      I am in decent health. My Dr. and I discussed it, and there is no compelling reason for me to get yearly flu shots. I also avoid high fructose corn syrup. My body, my choice.
      - Johnny555 4y ago
        >I am in decent health. My Dr. and I discussed it, and there is no compelling reason for me to get yearly flu shots. That might be the right personal decision, but it ignores the public health aspect -- getting the flu shot will help reduce your chance of contracting and spreading the flu to others.
      - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
        is there a compelling reason to avoid it?
        peteradio 4y ago
        This is a losers life strategy: do anything anybody tells you to unless you can mount a vigorous rhetorical explanation for "why not". Generally speaking you should be talked into things and have a good sense for when to proceed with caution. New pharmaceuticals aren't the same thing as pickin up nickels on the sidewalk.
- TeeMassive 4y ago
  Before covid, doctors were trying desperately to sensibilize people about the danger of the flu to no avail. It was common for flu death to not be marked as such on the death certificate. But covid is different because it is under the spotlight and faces more scrutinity. And the disctinction as covid being the main cause, a comobidity or a unrelated pathology was never clearly made since the beginning of the pandemic.
- rustybelt 4y ago
  Only 13000 people in the US die of AIDS each year. Is the flu worse than AIDS? How about rabies? Less than five deaths per year in the US. What would you rather have. I'll even concede that Omicron has a higher infection fatality rate than the typical flu strain, but both are well under 1% and those death totals have much more to do with transmissibility than severity.
ndynan 4y ago
This article is nuts and the citations of "compelling studies" are by the authors themselves AND pre-print without peer review... Even at first pass, the following statement is bonkers: "Then they ignored natural immunity. Wrong again. The vast majority of children have already had Covid, but this has made no difference in the blanket mandates for childhood vaccines. And now, by mandating vaccines and boosters for young healthy people, with no strong supporting data, these agencies are only further eroding public trust." What the fuck is "natural immunity" when we have had 5 variants of omnicron and infection doesn't provide immunity to the other variants? The real crime IMO, is that... U.S. Public Health Agencies Aren't ‘Following the Science,’... the science of how we could actually reduce spread and decrease the 350~ DEATHS per day adding to the more than 1 Million dead already.
- libraryatnight 4y ago
  Articles like this keep cropping up here and they're always flooded with comments that admit ignorance or uncertainty but then indulge the article with personal opinions. It's weird.
- MuchoMaas 4y ago
  > What the fuck is "natural immunity" when we have had 5 variants of omnicron and infection doesn't provide immunity to the other variants? It still provides a very high degree of protection against severe disease, which is already vanishingly rare in children without comorbidities. And is also all you get from the vaccines, along with all their attendant known and unknown risks.

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tzs 4y ago

> Omicron in general for most people is no worse than the flu, unpleasant but bearable. Flu in the US kills around 12k to 50k per year, with a particularly bad year every few decades getting up to maybe 80k. Omicron killed somewhere between 150k and 250k in the US in less than a year, and that was with free vaccines that were highly effective against death easily available to pretty much everyone who was not a young child. That doesn't sound like no worse than the flu to me.

jussij 4y ago
Another big difference is how much pressure COVID can exert on the hospital system. The COVID hospitalization rates are magnitudes larger than the worst ever flu season.
- azinman2 4y ago
  Don’t forget long covid is estimated at roughly 20%, which is quite significant.
  - cf141q5325 4y ago
    Which vaccines have very little influence on. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01453-0 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01453-0 relating to the study https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01840-0 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01840-0
    - azinman2 4y ago
      That’s not what the thread is about: > Omicron in general for most people is no worse than the flu, unpleasant but bearable.
      - cf141q5325 4y ago
        I know, i was agreeing with you. The long covid numbers are what makes COVID worse. I was pointing out that there is no way around those.
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- mrhands556 4y ago
  From covid or with Covid? Covid is treated differently than the flu in healthcare. They naturally have been testing all admissions for Covid. If someone comes in for a broken arm and test positive, then they’re counted against the Covid numbers. Flu numbers typically are a small sample size and extrapolated based on respiratory-like illness admissions in hospitals nationwide.
wonderwonder 4y ago
I am not saying you are wrong and in my original comment I was careful to specify that I was not attempting to downplay its significance. With that said in my personal experience Covid hit me like the flu. I had an elevated temperature for a couple days, was achy and tired. Affected my kids and spouse in the same way. If someone wants to vaccinate their kids, that's their choice and I'll be the last person to disparage that choice. Personally I don't see the need.
- HWR_14 4y ago
  - landemva 4y ago
    I am in decent health. My Dr. and I discussed it, and there is no compelling reason for me to get yearly flu shots. I also avoid high fructose corn syrup. My body, my choice.
    - Johnny555 4y ago
      >I am in decent health. My Dr. and I discussed it, and there is no compelling reason for me to get yearly flu shots. That might be the right personal decision, but it ignores the public health aspect -- getting the flu shot will help reduce your chance of contracting and spreading the flu to others.
    - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
      is there a compelling reason to avoid it?
      - peteradio 4y ago
        This is a losers life strategy: do anything anybody tells you to unless you can mount a vigorous rhetorical explanation for "why not". Generally speaking you should be talked into things and have a good sense for when to proceed with caution. New pharmaceuticals aren't the same thing as pickin up nickels on the sidewalk.
TeeMassive 4y ago
Before covid, doctors were trying desperately to sensibilize people about the danger of the flu to no avail. It was common for flu death to not be marked as such on the death certificate. But covid is different because it is under the spotlight and faces more scrutinity. And the disctinction as covid being the main cause, a comobidity or a unrelated pathology was never clearly made since the beginning of the pandemic.
rustybelt 4y ago
Only 13000 people in the US die of AIDS each year. Is the flu worse than AIDS? How about rabies? Less than five deaths per year in the US. What would you rather have. I'll even concede that Omicron has a higher infection fatality rate than the typical flu strain, but both are well under 1% and those death totals have much more to do with transmissibility than severity.

ndynan 4y ago

This article is nuts and the citations of "compelling studies" are by the authors themselves AND pre-print without peer review... Even at first pass, the following statement is bonkers: "Then they ignored natural immunity. Wrong again. The vast majority of children have already had Covid, but this has made no difference in the blanket mandates for childhood vaccines. And now, by mandating vaccines and boosters for young healthy people, with no strong supporting data, these agencies are only further eroding public trust." What the fuck is "natural immunity" when we have had 5 variants of omnicron and infection doesn't provide immunity to the other variants? The real crime IMO, is that... U.S. Public Health Agencies Aren't ‘Following the Science,’... the science of how we could actually reduce spread and decrease the 350~ DEATHS per day adding to the more than 1 Million dead already.

libraryatnight 4y ago
Articles like this keep cropping up here and they're always flooded with comments that admit ignorance or uncertainty but then indulge the article with personal opinions. It's weird.
MuchoMaas 4y ago
> What the fuck is "natural immunity" when we have had 5 variants of omnicron and infection doesn't provide immunity to the other variants? It still provides a very high degree of protection against severe disease, which is already vanishingly rare in children without comorbidities. And is also all you get from the vaccines, along with all their attendant known and unknown risks.