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Two people killed after Tesla collides with semi-truck on I-75

17 points by RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago

RONROC 4y ago
Whats the context here? Just says a Tesla got into an accident.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  They have an awkward habit rear-ending semi-trucks that too closely resemble empty sky.
- Natsu 4y ago
  We seem to get informed of every Tesla accident for some reason.
  - mcphage 4y ago
    Yeah, and I really don't find Teslas all that interesting.
mjevans 4y ago
Published: Jul. 6, 2022 at 11:27 AM PDT Isn't this a rehash without any further updates? Probably dupes of: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32023337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32023337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32052267 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32052267
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stevenjgarner 4y ago
Two killed when Ford F-150 slams into concrete pillar in west Houston [1] [1] https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/2-killed-in-west-Houston-crash-16797731.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/...
- dekhn 4y ago
  that's unrelated and doesn't make any useful point
  - skneko 4y ago
    It makes a very useful point: this is just another accident, but the media is reporting on it because the involved brand is Tesla.
    - dekhn 4y ago
      The F150 accident was two young people manually driving their vehicle into a barrier off the road, likely while intoxicated, and not wearing seatbelts. Different scenario. Also, the media reported on both situations, did mean the tesla one was picked up nationally?
      - smegsicle 4y ago
        > mean the tesla one was picked up nationally? i think you're on the right track with that one
      - ortusdux 4y ago
        Do you know that they were manually driving the F150? Newer models have adaptive cruise control, pre-collision automatic breaking, a lane-keeping system, evasive steering assist, and they starting implementing self-driving features 2 years ago.
        dekhn 4y ago
        I do not know. Nor do I particularly care.
    - stevenjgarner 4y ago
      Exactly my point. The fact that it is unrelated without making any useful point IS the point. It has become so vogue and tiresome at HN to hit on everything Musk. Tesla remains the safest car on the road with advanced vehicle technologies: "Tesla cars using driver-assist systems are significantly less likely to crash than Waymo/Transdev/GM's Cruise, according to NHTSA's data. Although the regulator's data only show the number of accidents such a conclusion is obvious with a little digging" [1] This refers to "NHTSA Releases Initial Data on Safety Performance of Advanced Vehicle Technologies" (June 15, 2022) [2]. In that actual report, it misleads by showing that Tesla has the highest number of crashes of all SAE Levels 3-5 automated driving systems, when in fact that is only because they have the highest number of Level3-5 vehicles and drivers on the road and in fact they have the lowest number of accidents per thousand drivers per year. There is a good video discussion on this [3] [1] https://twitter.com/EvaFoxU/status/1537149521955889153 https://twitter.com/EvaFoxU/status/1537149521955889153 [2] https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/initial-data-release-advanced-vehicle-technologies https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/initial-data-release-ad... [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMpozSBXpN4&t=459 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMpozSBXpN4&t=459
JaceLightning 4y ago
How is this news?
- jleyank 4y ago
  If it's terminal brain fart by an active driver, that sux. If it's an example of auto-driving having issues, or worse, a Darwin award from somebody uninterested in paying attention, that's a datapoint for the argument as to if/when we'll see auto-drive. While it's possible to design fault-tolerant systems that are quite capable, I feel they're at a level of cost and effort that's not being used for current-day programming in pretty much any form. I know they've been working on computer vision since the 60's so I assume that's solved (enough) to trust its data.
josephcsible 4y ago
Why is it so much more common for the make of the car to be mentioned in the headline when it's a Tesla than when any other car gets into a crash?
- MegaButts 4y ago
  Tesla gets clicks. Apart from that though, probably because Elon has been marketing them as having FSD soon for nearly a decade, plus numerous claims that autopilot is already safer than humans. Sure, not every Tesla has that but most people are more ignorant than you might think. The number of people I've met who think a Tesla can actually drive you hundreds of miles while you sleep in the back is alarming.
- klyrs 4y ago
  Schadenfreude, probably. No other car manufacturer encourages people to take their hands off the wheel, light a blunt, and watch the world burn (nb: egregious poetic license).
- paulpauper 4y ago
  same reason why amazon warehouse working conditions get so much more media attention compared to everywhere else
- dekhn 4y ago
  is there any other company with a similar technology (activated and working instead of the driving having any control) with a similar number of miles, and if so, what are their accident and death rates when their technology is enabled? IIUC MB and other manufacturers have fairly sophisticated self-driving packages now but I don't know how they compare to Tesla, in terms of technology or marketing or user expectation. My guess is: this is an easy article because it gets clicks because it feeds into a bunch of people existing assumptions about self-driving, and also Musk gets a lot of clicks too. I haven't seen many (any?) articles that actually attempt to interpret all the available data about self-driving car accidents in the US and draw any reasonable conclusions, in a good-faith way (rather than promoting a pre-existing agenda or going to cheap clicks). Note that I'm mainly interested in the situation of accidents that occur during full hands-off automated driving where the system had not started notifying the user to pay attention and the weather and road conditions are not adverse. Having accurate estimates of accident and death frequencies that could be used to compare autonomous systems confidently would be great.

17 points by RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago

RONROC 4y ago

Whats the context here? Just says a Tesla got into an accident.

anigbrowl 4y ago
They have an awkward habit rear-ending semi-trucks that too closely resemble empty sky.
Natsu 4y ago
We seem to get informed of every Tesla accident for some reason.
- mcphage 4y ago
  Yeah, and I really don't find Teslas all that interesting.

mjevans 4y ago

Published: Jul. 6, 2022 at 11:27 AM PDT Isn't this a rehash without any further updates? Probably dupes of: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32023337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32023337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32052267 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32052267

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stevenjgarner 4y ago

Two killed when Ford F-150 slams into concrete pillar in west Houston [1] [1] https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/2-killed-in-west-Houston-crash-16797731.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/...

dekhn 4y ago
that's unrelated and doesn't make any useful point
- skneko 4y ago
  It makes a very useful point: this is just another accident, but the media is reporting on it because the involved brand is Tesla.
  - dekhn 4y ago
    The F150 accident was two young people manually driving their vehicle into a barrier off the road, likely while intoxicated, and not wearing seatbelts. Different scenario. Also, the media reported on both situations, did mean the tesla one was picked up nationally?
    - smegsicle 4y ago
      > mean the tesla one was picked up nationally? i think you're on the right track with that one
    - ortusdux 4y ago
      Do you know that they were manually driving the F150? Newer models have adaptive cruise control, pre-collision automatic breaking, a lane-keeping system, evasive steering assist, and they starting implementing self-driving features 2 years ago.
      - dekhn 4y ago
        I do not know. Nor do I particularly care.
  - stevenjgarner 4y ago
    Exactly my point. The fact that it is unrelated without making any useful point IS the point. It has become so vogue and tiresome at HN to hit on everything Musk. Tesla remains the safest car on the road with advanced vehicle technologies: "Tesla cars using driver-assist systems are significantly less likely to crash than Waymo/Transdev/GM's Cruise, according to NHTSA's data. Although the regulator's data only show the number of accidents such a conclusion is obvious with a little digging" [1] This refers to "NHTSA Releases Initial Data on Safety Performance of Advanced Vehicle Technologies" (June 15, 2022) [2]. In that actual report, it misleads by showing that Tesla has the highest number of crashes of all SAE Levels 3-5 automated driving systems, when in fact that is only because they have the highest number of Level3-5 vehicles and drivers on the road and in fact they have the lowest number of accidents per thousand drivers per year. There is a good video discussion on this [3] [1] https://twitter.com/EvaFoxU/status/1537149521955889153 https://twitter.com/EvaFoxU/status/1537149521955889153 [2] https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/initial-data-release-advanced-vehicle-technologies https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/initial-data-release-ad... [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMpozSBXpN4&t=459 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMpozSBXpN4&t=459

JaceLightning 4y ago

How is this news?

jleyank 4y ago
If it's terminal brain fart by an active driver, that sux. If it's an example of auto-driving having issues, or worse, a Darwin award from somebody uninterested in paying attention, that's a datapoint for the argument as to if/when we'll see auto-drive. While it's possible to design fault-tolerant systems that are quite capable, I feel they're at a level of cost and effort that's not being used for current-day programming in pretty much any form. I know they've been working on computer vision since the 60's so I assume that's solved (enough) to trust its data.

josephcsible 4y ago

Why is it so much more common for the make of the car to be mentioned in the headline when it's a Tesla than when any other car gets into a crash?

MegaButts 4y ago
Tesla gets clicks. Apart from that though, probably because Elon has been marketing them as having FSD soon for nearly a decade, plus numerous claims that autopilot is already safer than humans. Sure, not every Tesla has that but most people are more ignorant than you might think. The number of people I've met who think a Tesla can actually drive you hundreds of miles while you sleep in the back is alarming.
klyrs 4y ago
Schadenfreude, probably. No other car manufacturer encourages people to take their hands off the wheel, light a blunt, and watch the world burn (nb: egregious poetic license).
paulpauper 4y ago
same reason why amazon warehouse working conditions get so much more media attention compared to everywhere else
dekhn 4y ago
is there any other company with a similar technology (activated and working instead of the driving having any control) with a similar number of miles, and if so, what are their accident and death rates when their technology is enabled? IIUC MB and other manufacturers have fairly sophisticated self-driving packages now but I don't know how they compare to Tesla, in terms of technology or marketing or user expectation. My guess is: this is an easy article because it gets clicks because it feeds into a bunch of people existing assumptions about self-driving, and also Musk gets a lot of clicks too. I haven't seen many (any?) articles that actually attempt to interpret all the available data about self-driving car accidents in the US and draw any reasonable conclusions, in a good-faith way (rather than promoting a pre-existing agenda or going to cheap clicks). Note that I'm mainly interested in the situation of accidents that occur during full hands-off automated driving where the system had not started notifying the user to pay attention and the weather and road conditions are not adverse. Having accurate estimates of accident and death frequencies that could be used to compare autonomous systems confidently would be great.