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FYI, it's not a rationality question. This involves ethical questions you can rationally argue about.

by HWR_14 4y ago

pessimizer 4y ago
Companies don't have moral responsibilities, they have legal ones (and the least they can lobby for.) The only people burdened with moral responsibilities in the employer-employee relationship seem to be the employees.
- HWR_14 4y ago
  Living up to your side of a contract is a general principle, and one we expect companies to also live up to. Not working 3 full time jobs is a legal obligation.
refulgentis 4y ago
Yeah, addressed upthread. Acting like there's some abstract dialogue to have here hides the ball. This isn't a common viewpoint, there's a reason why, and it's not because people arent aware
- HWR_14 4y ago
  I have no idea what you're saying or what upthread you're referring to.
  - refulgentis 4y ago
    Ok, gotcha: upthread, meaning, like, "post prior to this one, under same triangle". I'm outta date on lingo. Maybe "GP"? I see that on Reddit to mean grandparent post.
    - HWR_14 4y ago
      Okay, I didn't think "upthread" was so specific. But you were the one who introduced the word "rationality". It implies ethical behavior is somehow irrational. I don't believe it is.
      - refulgentis 4y ago
        I understand your focus here, I assume you put quotes around it because it's not being used in it's technical sense and you'd like me to admit I know that. I do To ease your mind, let's keep the quotes and say I'm from Mars and don't share your definition of rationality, I'm using it wrong, but you want to avoid coming to a shared definition in order to have conversation without derailing: it would be highly "irrational" to adopt this viewpoint given no code would ever be delivered if everyone adopted it. "Unstable equilibrium", in "game theory" sense. Everyone "can't" do it, but everyone "should" do it (note airquotes again, don't want to come across as being a jerk and writing a book in response in order to be technically correct, could look patronizing since I think you understand the point)

FYI, it's not a rationality question. This involves ethical questions you can rationally argue about.

by HWR_14 4y ago

FYI, it's not a rationality question. This involves ethical questions you can rationally argue about.

Companies don't have moral responsibilities, they have legal ones (and the least they can lobby for.) The only people burdened with moral responsibilities in the employer-employee relationship seem to be the employees.

HWR_14 4y ago
Living up to your side of a contract is a general principle, and one we expect companies to also live up to. Not working 3 full time jobs is a legal obligation.

refulgentis 4y ago

Yeah, addressed upthread. Acting like there's some abstract dialogue to have here hides the ball. This isn't a common viewpoint, there's a reason why, and it's not because people arent aware

HWR_14 4y ago
I have no idea what you're saying or what upthread you're referring to.
- refulgentis 4y ago
  Ok, gotcha: upthread, meaning, like, "post prior to this one, under same triangle". I'm outta date on lingo. Maybe "GP"? I see that on Reddit to mean grandparent post.
  - HWR_14 4y ago
    Okay, I didn't think "upthread" was so specific. But you were the one who introduced the word "rationality". It implies ethical behavior is somehow irrational. I don't believe it is.
    - refulgentis 4y ago
      I understand your focus here, I assume you put quotes around it because it's not being used in it's technical sense and you'd like me to admit I know that. I do To ease your mind, let's keep the quotes and say I'm from Mars and don't share your definition of rationality, I'm using it wrong, but you want to avoid coming to a shared definition in order to have conversation without derailing: it would be highly "irrational" to adopt this viewpoint given no code would ever be delivered if everyone adopted it. "Unstable equilibrium", in "game theory" sense. Everyone "can't" do it, but everyone "should" do it (note airquotes again, don't want to come across as being a jerk and writing a book in response in order to be technically correct, could look patronizing since I think you understand the point)