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NYC gets dozens of millions of visitors annually, in addition to people commuting in daily and people transiting through the city. So, while the number of crime

NYC gets dozens of millions of visitors annually, in addition to people commuting in daily and people transiting through the city. So, while the number of crimes is high, the number of people actually in the city at any given time is multiple times the number of people who reside there. Probably the total number of people in the city anually is 10x the people who live there. I'd also factor in the numbers are higher also because policing is very robust. I can't think of any other city where I saw a cop nearly as often as NYC, they're everywhere. Anecdotally, I never felt unsafe there. Although where I grew up crime was rampant, common, and expected- so comparatively NYC seemed really safe, and it wasn't hard to avoid high risk places/situations. I do think people hype up the crime numbers, and forget to consider the variables present in a megalopolis which aren't present in smaller cities.

Dylan16807 4y ago
> Probably the total number of people in the city anually is 10x the people who live there. That number doesn't really matter, does it? I'd think the average number of people there each day is much closer to the relevant number.
- filoleg 4y ago
  > I'd think the average number of people there each day is much closer to the relevant number. Yes, and that "average number of people there each day" would include all the non-residents/tourists in the city. Which is a non-trivial number at all for NYC.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    Yes, of course it would count them. But that number will be much much smaller. If the average visitor is there for a week, then a million yearly visitors only increase the daily population by 20k. You'd expect a crime increase equivalent to 20k residents or less. So if there really is an 11x increase in crime, along with a 10x increase in yearly population, that's actually a huge increase in crime on a per-person per-day basis.
    - filoleg 4y ago
      > If the average visitor is there for a week, then a million yearly visitors only increase the daily population by 20k Correct, but NYC had 66 million visitors in 2019[0], which is way more than 1mil you guesstimated. Which, conversely, would increase the daily population by 20k*66=1.32mil. 1.32mil is a non-trivial increase in daily population at all. 0. https://www.osc.state.ny.us/reports/osdc/tourism-industry-new-york-city https://www.osc.state.ny.us/reports/osdc/tourism-industry-ne...

Dylan16807 4y ago

> Probably the total number of people in the city anually is 10x the people who live there. That number doesn't really matter, does it? I'd think the average number of people there each day is much closer to the relevant number.

filoleg 4y ago
> I'd think the average number of people there each day is much closer to the relevant number. Yes, and that "average number of people there each day" would include all the non-residents/tourists in the city. Which is a non-trivial number at all for NYC.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  Yes, of course it would count them. But that number will be much much smaller. If the average visitor is there for a week, then a million yearly visitors only increase the daily population by 20k. You'd expect a crime increase equivalent to 20k residents or less. So if there really is an 11x increase in crime, along with a 10x increase in yearly population, that's actually a huge increase in crime on a per-person per-day basis.
  - filoleg 4y ago
    > If the average visitor is there for a week, then a million yearly visitors only increase the daily population by 20k Correct, but NYC had 66 million visitors in 2019[0], which is way more than 1mil you guesstimated. Which, conversely, would increase the daily population by 20k*66=1.32mil. 1.32mil is a non-trivial increase in daily population at all. 0. https://www.osc.state.ny.us/reports/osdc/tourism-industry-new-york-city https://www.osc.state.ny.us/reports/osdc/tourism-industry-ne...