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> One CDC scientist told us about her shame and frustration about what happened to American children during the pandemic: “CDC failed to balance the risks of Co

> One CDC scientist told us about her shame and frustration about what happened to American children during the pandemic: “CDC failed to balance the risks of Covid with other risks that come from closing schools,” she said. “Learning loss, mental health exacerbations were obvious early on and those worsened as the guidance insisted on keeping schools virtual. CDC guidance worsened racial equity for generations to come. It failed this generation of children.”

throwawaylinux 4y ago
- swayvil 4y ago
trentnix 4y ago
mc32 4y ago
The worst part of the pandemic beside policies that would swing back and forth (which is kind of understandable if you're learning as you go) was the inability to have discussions about the pros and cons of shutdowns and other pandemic related policies. Social media and mainstream media saw it fit to censor dissenting voices --not those of quacks, we can mostly all agree on minimizing the voices of quacks but shutting down medical professionals and medical academics and so on is very concerning. The only people they allowed to be wrong about the pandemic were govt officials. They could get it wrong and right it as many times as necessary.
- 14 4y ago
  You wouldn’t believe how bad it was on reddit. Places like r/Canada had to ban any dissenting voices because they were unable to have a discussion that didn’t go with their beliefs. If I had to wager my left nut I would wager that sub is controlled by the government to try and sway a narrative. If you have a strong argument you have no issues about debate.
  - stevenwoo 4y ago
    this thread is a year old but two of the mods of r/canada are white supremacists https://old.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/m4zywr/rcanada_mods/gqxs16f/ https://old.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/m4zywr/rcan...
- s3r3nity 4y ago
  > Social media and mainstream media saw it fit to censor dissenting voices --not those of quacks, we can mostly all agree on minimizing the voices of quacks but shutting down medical professionals and medical academics and so on is very concerning. No I don't agree with censoring _any_ voices - precisely because of this issue. The decentralized market of ideas will address the "quacks" in the room, as I don't trust any central authority to do that for me. If a centralized authority wields power in a way that creates negative consequences, you don't give them _more_ power, or just hope that they'll do the right thing.
  - dredmorbius 4y ago
    "the dictum that truth always triumphs over persecution, is one of those pleasant falsehoods which men repeat after one another till they pass into commonplaces, but which all experience refutes. History teems with instances of truth put down by persecution. If not suppressed forever, it may be thrown back for centuries." – John Stuart Mill, On Liberty (https://www.utilitarianism.com/ol/two.html https://www.utilitarianism.com/ol/two.html)
    - throwawaylinux 4y ago
      - dredmorbius 4y ago
        Disinformation and misinformation are noted tactics used by those who would seize control of levers of power and use them to their own ends as well. Control over information is a fundamental tool of power and warfare (cf: Arendt, Mill, von Clausewitz, Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, and many others). Ascribing it to any one faction, or presuming all factions seeking power are uniform and unified, is another fallacy (broad brush) . Those who seek to base power on democratic principles, for the maximum number and good, have at least a more altruistic objective to their credit.
        throwawaylinux 4y ago
- Consultant32452 4y ago
  At least with the pandemic you can pretend that lives were at stake and dissenters were a public health risk. I disagree with that argument, but I can see it. Those same social networks are de-ranking and blocking dissenters against the escalation of war against Russia in Ukraine. This is categorically different and a major escalation in censorship that most people are not realizing. It's very scary.
  - kcb 4y ago
    > Those same social networks are de-ranking and blocking dissenters against the escalation of war against Russia in Ukraine. Yea Russia shouldn't have escalated the war.
    - Consultant32452 4y ago
  - markdown 4y ago
    Of course Russian bots should be blocked. Why would anyone else support LESS defence by Ukraine? What a bizarre idea.
    - Consultant32452 4y ago
      The US got Ukraine into this war in the first place by intentionally provoking Russia into it. Obama admitted to committing the 2014 coup in Ukraine and then refused to go so far as to provide weapons because he said Russia would likely escalate. Trump gave them weapons and then Russia responded to that escalation by invading. Even if you're okay with all of that, the US is not trying to help Ukraine win, it's trying to make the war as long and as expensive as possible for Russia. The US is sacrificing Ukrainian lives to harm Russia.
      - astrange 4y ago
        Ukraine has had two elections since then, hasn't kept the people elected in 2014 (Zelensky was elected as the the pro-Russia candidate), certainly didn't like the corrupt Yanukovych who you're claiming the US couped, and the US has been giving Ukraine distance weapons like HIMARS so… no? Though, Poroshenko (the guy who was elected in 2014 post-revolution and is some kind of chocolate factory oligarch) fled the country over a prosecution but has since come back to fight in the national guard, so it seems like even he's in favor of it.
- jimbob45 4y ago
  There was no discussion to be had. The fear was that COVID would mutate into something deadly like the Spanish Flu epidemic and we’d instantly lose an entire generation of kids. That didn’t end up happening but we couldn’t have known that until after. The way it’s framed now, you’d think officials were weighing a 1% fatality rate against lockdowns. That’s silly. Before the vaccines were prepared and distributed, mutation was the much higher threat.
- NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
  The pandemic really was a case study in why free speech is so important and how little of it we have on the Internet. Aaron Swartz warned bout this a lot. It was like his main thing.
- guelo 4y ago
  Sorry but to me this complaint is incomprehensible. Every view imaginable about the pandemic, right and wrong, got tons of discussion and garnered millions of adherents.
gpt5 4y ago
At my toddler preschool they still have a mask mandate, even though research shows that it hurts the kids speech development and ability to read emotions. I now need to send my child to speech therapy lessons. There was never a discussion of the pros and cons, and it's simply a decision of the preschool management, as the county and state have dropped it a while ago. It's just an example of how the children are rarely a considiration.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  > There was never a discussion of the pros and cons, and it's simply a decision of the preschool management, as the county and state have dropped it a while ago. It's just an example of how the children are rarely a considiration. There was SO MUCH discussion of the pros and cons. I promise. You may not have seen it, but it was in so many places.
  - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
ceejayoz 4y ago
We closed schools to keep the bars open. I'll never quite understand it.
chiefalchemist 4y ago

throwawaylinux 4y ago

swayvil 4y ago

trentnix 4y ago

mc32 4y ago

The worst part of the pandemic beside policies that would swing back and forth (which is kind of understandable if you're learning as you go) was the inability to have discussions about the pros and cons of shutdowns and other pandemic related policies. Social media and mainstream media saw it fit to censor dissenting voices --not those of quacks, we can mostly all agree on minimizing the voices of quacks but shutting down medical professionals and medical academics and so on is very concerning. The only people they allowed to be wrong about the pandemic were govt officials. They could get it wrong and right it as many times as necessary.

14 4y ago
You wouldn’t believe how bad it was on reddit. Places like r/Canada had to ban any dissenting voices because they were unable to have a discussion that didn’t go with their beliefs. If I had to wager my left nut I would wager that sub is controlled by the government to try and sway a narrative. If you have a strong argument you have no issues about debate.
- stevenwoo 4y ago
  this thread is a year old but two of the mods of r/canada are white supremacists https://old.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/m4zywr/rcanada_mods/gqxs16f/ https://old.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/m4zywr/rcan...
s3r3nity 4y ago
> Social media and mainstream media saw it fit to censor dissenting voices --not those of quacks, we can mostly all agree on minimizing the voices of quacks but shutting down medical professionals and medical academics and so on is very concerning. No I don't agree with censoring _any_ voices - precisely because of this issue. The decentralized market of ideas will address the "quacks" in the room, as I don't trust any central authority to do that for me. If a centralized authority wields power in a way that creates negative consequences, you don't give them _more_ power, or just hope that they'll do the right thing.
- dredmorbius 4y ago
  "the dictum that truth always triumphs over persecution, is one of those pleasant falsehoods which men repeat after one another till they pass into commonplaces, but which all experience refutes. History teems with instances of truth put down by persecution. If not suppressed forever, it may be thrown back for centuries." – John Stuart Mill, On Liberty (https://www.utilitarianism.com/ol/two.html https://www.utilitarianism.com/ol/two.html)
  - throwawaylinux 4y ago
    - dredmorbius 4y ago
      Disinformation and misinformation are noted tactics used by those who would seize control of levers of power and use them to their own ends as well. Control over information is a fundamental tool of power and warfare (cf: Arendt, Mill, von Clausewitz, Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, and many others). Ascribing it to any one faction, or presuming all factions seeking power are uniform and unified, is another fallacy (broad brush) . Those who seek to base power on democratic principles, for the maximum number and good, have at least a more altruistic objective to their credit.
      - throwawaylinux 4y ago
Consultant32452 4y ago
At least with the pandemic you can pretend that lives were at stake and dissenters were a public health risk. I disagree with that argument, but I can see it. Those same social networks are de-ranking and blocking dissenters against the escalation of war against Russia in Ukraine. This is categorically different and a major escalation in censorship that most people are not realizing. It's very scary.
- kcb 4y ago
  > Those same social networks are de-ranking and blocking dissenters against the escalation of war against Russia in Ukraine. Yea Russia shouldn't have escalated the war.
  - Consultant32452 4y ago
- markdown 4y ago
  Of course Russian bots should be blocked. Why would anyone else support LESS defence by Ukraine? What a bizarre idea.
  - Consultant32452 4y ago
    The US got Ukraine into this war in the first place by intentionally provoking Russia into it. Obama admitted to committing the 2014 coup in Ukraine and then refused to go so far as to provide weapons because he said Russia would likely escalate. Trump gave them weapons and then Russia responded to that escalation by invading. Even if you're okay with all of that, the US is not trying to help Ukraine win, it's trying to make the war as long and as expensive as possible for Russia. The US is sacrificing Ukrainian lives to harm Russia.
    - astrange 4y ago
      Ukraine has had two elections since then, hasn't kept the people elected in 2014 (Zelensky was elected as the the pro-Russia candidate), certainly didn't like the corrupt Yanukovych who you're claiming the US couped, and the US has been giving Ukraine distance weapons like HIMARS so… no? Though, Poroshenko (the guy who was elected in 2014 post-revolution and is some kind of chocolate factory oligarch) fled the country over a prosecution but has since come back to fight in the national guard, so it seems like even he's in favor of it.
jimbob45 4y ago
There was no discussion to be had. The fear was that COVID would mutate into something deadly like the Spanish Flu epidemic and we’d instantly lose an entire generation of kids. That didn’t end up happening but we couldn’t have known that until after. The way it’s framed now, you’d think officials were weighing a 1% fatality rate against lockdowns. That’s silly. Before the vaccines were prepared and distributed, mutation was the much higher threat.
NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
The pandemic really was a case study in why free speech is so important and how little of it we have on the Internet. Aaron Swartz warned bout this a lot. It was like his main thing.
guelo 4y ago
Sorry but to me this complaint is incomprehensible. Every view imaginable about the pandemic, right and wrong, got tons of discussion and garnered millions of adherents.

gpt5 4y ago

At my toddler preschool they still have a mask mandate, even though research shows that it hurts the kids speech development and ability to read emotions. I now need to send my child to speech therapy lessons. There was never a discussion of the pros and cons, and it's simply a decision of the preschool management, as the county and state have dropped it a while ago. It's just an example of how the children are rarely a considiration.

Dylan16807 4y ago
> There was never a discussion of the pros and cons, and it's simply a decision of the preschool management, as the county and state have dropped it a while ago. It's just an example of how the children are rarely a considiration. There was SO MUCH discussion of the pros and cons. I promise. You may not have seen it, but it was in so many places.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago

ceejayoz 4y ago

We closed schools to keep the bars open. I'll never quite understand it.

chiefalchemist 4y ago