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I feel like no one read the entire article, and it's partially the fault of traditional newspaper writing style for sticking the juiciest stuff up from, but the

I feel like no one read the entire article, and it's partially the fault of traditional newspaper writing style for sticking the juiciest stuff up from, but the article concludes there's no consensus on what chronic sleep deprivation does to humans. > Nevertheless, many scientists said that the new research should not be cause for panic. “It is possible that sleep deprivation damages rat and mouse brains, but that doesn’t mean that you should get stressed about not getting enough sleep,” said Jerome Siegel, a sleep scientist at the University of California, Los Angeles, who did not contribute to the review. > Dr. Siegel noted that neural injury comes in degrees, and that the extent of sleep deprivation’s effect on the human brain is still largely unknown. He also expressed concern that undue worry about the long-term effects of sleep deprivation could lead people to try to sleep more, unnecessarily and with medication. The opinion of a single review paper on effects in mice is not conclusive science. So, in other words, there's no news here.

mdp2021 4y ago
> there's no news here There is no news for some virtual construct of an ideally informed individual - meanwhile, I often meet simple people that believe that sleep is optional and secondary. And the consequences are very visible. > consensus For practical reasons and purposes, waiting for """consensus""" is a bad idea.
- nickelpro 4y ago
  I wasn't under the impression that "acute sleep deprivation bad" was news either. I think that's pretty self-evident by way of being human. > For practical reasons and purposes, waiting for """consensus""" is a bad idea. It's a free country, do what you want, but don't call it a scientifically accepted fact until it's you know, accepted by the scientific community.
  - mdp2021 4y ago
    > I think that's pretty self-evident It is, sure, but to recalibrate the idea of "evidence" start asking the Man in the Street... You'll see that Terry Jones is now nowhere to be found, Carol Cleveland is not a man and - you'll be "at a loss". > accepted by the scientific community Sure, but my point was that we don't wait for it. (Were it, again, that simple.) "Ars longa, vita brevis" has another sense not restricted to the individual.
rramadass 4y ago
You are cherry-picking and being unnecessarily dismissive. From the same article : “Sleep loss can injure the brain, and if it happens in mice, and it has been shown to happen in other species, then it probably does happen in humans,” Dr. Veasey said. “It always begs the question: How much sleep loss would cause injuries? But looking at all of this literature together, of around one week of chronic sleep loss, it really does suggest that you injured the brain to some extent.” There is enough consensus in the scientific community about "some" connection between sleep deprivation, free radicals, oxidation stress and cell damage. Because of ethical issues since we are not allowed to directly force stress a Human (the article states: there is currently no ethical way to measure the degree and kind of cell damage caused by sleep deprivation in the locus coeruleus and hippocampus of a living human.) we do it on genetically well-matched species like Fruitfly, Mice etc. We then use statistical inference to extrapolate to Humans and see how well it matches with self-reported/observed data. Importance of Fruitflies in Human Biology research : https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/03feb_fruitfly https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/0... Sleep, Death and the Gut (very good article) : https://hms.harvard.edu/news/sleep-death-gut https://hms.harvard.edu/news/sleep-death-gut
- cnity 4y ago
  Folks, we are all going to die. Live life well, make sensible decisions, eat well, get outside, exercise, socialize. The rest is noise. Do you want to be min-maxing every facet of your life?
  - jeffreygoesto 4y ago
    This. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/05/7d/fe/057dfe195dd1b207ee4e5777ac3b345b.gif https://i.pinimg.com/originals/05/7d/fe/057dfe195dd1b207ee4e...
  - monkey_monkey 4y ago
    No, but we want to reduce risks of terrible conditions such as Alzheimer's wherever possible, especially if we can do so by simply getting more sleep.
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pfortuny 4y ago
Exactly. Another case of risk fear which causes something worse (anxiety now) than what it purports to solve (future mental illness, or whatever). Yes, you need to be careful with your sleep patterns. Yes, you absolutely do not need to be anxious now.
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mdp2021 4y ago

> there's no news here There is no news for some virtual construct of an ideally informed individual - meanwhile, I often meet simple people that believe that sleep is optional and secondary. And the consequences are very visible. > consensus For practical reasons and purposes, waiting for """consensus""" is a bad idea.

nickelpro 4y ago
I wasn't under the impression that "acute sleep deprivation bad" was news either. I think that's pretty self-evident by way of being human. > For practical reasons and purposes, waiting for """consensus""" is a bad idea. It's a free country, do what you want, but don't call it a scientifically accepted fact until it's you know, accepted by the scientific community.
- mdp2021 4y ago
  > I think that's pretty self-evident It is, sure, but to recalibrate the idea of "evidence" start asking the Man in the Street... You'll see that Terry Jones is now nowhere to be found, Carol Cleveland is not a man and - you'll be "at a loss". > accepted by the scientific community Sure, but my point was that we don't wait for it. (Were it, again, that simple.) "Ars longa, vita brevis" has another sense not restricted to the individual.

rramadass 4y ago

You are cherry-picking and being unnecessarily dismissive. From the same article : “Sleep loss can injure the brain, and if it happens in mice, and it has been shown to happen in other species, then it probably does happen in humans,” Dr. Veasey said. “It always begs the question: How much sleep loss would cause injuries? But looking at all of this literature together, of around one week of chronic sleep loss, it really does suggest that you injured the brain to some extent.” There is enough consensus in the scientific community about "some" connection between sleep deprivation, free radicals, oxidation stress and cell damage. Because of ethical issues since we are not allowed to directly force stress a Human (the article states: there is currently no ethical way to measure the degree and kind of cell damage caused by sleep deprivation in the locus coeruleus and hippocampus of a living human.) we do it on genetically well-matched species like Fruitfly, Mice etc. We then use statistical inference to extrapolate to Humans and see how well it matches with self-reported/observed data. Importance of Fruitflies in Human Biology research : https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/03feb_fruitfly https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/0... Sleep, Death and the Gut (very good article) : https://hms.harvard.edu/news/sleep-death-gut https://hms.harvard.edu/news/sleep-death-gut

cnity 4y ago
Folks, we are all going to die. Live life well, make sensible decisions, eat well, get outside, exercise, socialize. The rest is noise. Do you want to be min-maxing every facet of your life?
- jeffreygoesto 4y ago
  This. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/05/7d/fe/057dfe195dd1b207ee4e5777ac3b345b.gif https://i.pinimg.com/originals/05/7d/fe/057dfe195dd1b207ee4e...
- monkey_monkey 4y ago
  No, but we want to reduce risks of terrible conditions such as Alzheimer's wherever possible, especially if we can do so by simply getting more sleep.
- 4y ago

pfortuny 4y ago

Exactly. Another case of risk fear which causes something worse (anxiety now) than what it purports to solve (future mental illness, or whatever). Yes, you need to be careful with your sleep patterns. Yes, you absolutely do not need to be anxious now.

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