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Why should we be thinking that? Some people might argue that we should pursue even more extreme punishments, to dissuade people from committing crimes.
by kthielen 4y ago
Why should we be thinking that?
Some people might argue that we should pursue even more extreme punishments, to dissuade people from committing crimes.
- imtringued 4y agoThat is quite interesting. Maybe we should start enforcing the law against school shooters.
- kthielen 4y agoSure, seems like it's worth trying.
- yieldcrv 4y agoThe outcome of punitive retribution is that it undermines the domestic security of the US when convicts sentences are over. They are less integrated into society than before the arrest, and are not rehabilitated from the crime they did, are not rehabilitated from the punishments and society in prison, and are marginalized from the rest of society pushing people towards more petty and violent crimes against the population just for basic food and shelter. So your idea exacerbates the thing you want to dissuade. The concept is called recidivism if you are interested in corroborating or learning additional perspectives of this. And why it occurs such as the misaligned incentives that promote recidivism that we as a society can fix.
- kthielen 4y agoHuh, seems like that theory isn't getting much support these days, with sympathetic DAs on the chopping block. Maybe it's actually wrong?
- dragonwriter 4y agoOr maybe the motivation for punitive retribution is punitive, not corrective, so that the truth of the empirical theory has no bearing on the support for policy? Disagreements on values often masquerade as disagreements on facts, especially because people often use fact claims oriented to their audience’s perceived values to sell actions based on different values to them.
- kthielen 4y agoOr maybe punitive retribution is also corrective.
- yieldcrv 4y agosympathetic DAs are the wrong approach, hampering enforcement is the wrong approach. those are bandaids that are incompatible with society that doesn't have other structural changes. since those structural changes don't exist, all you have is amplified domestic security problems as more violence occurs without penalty, incompatible with the concept of civilization. you're looking at this through the lens of more enforcement+penalties versus less enforcement+penalties, a false dilemma that's not what the rest of us are talking about.