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Here's a document from 1961 that shows planned bart stops. Not quite a ring, but it's interesting how many of these places ended up as caltrain stops instead.

Here's a document from 1961 that shows planned bart stops. Not quite a ring, but it's interesting how many of these places ended up as caltrain stops instead. Of course the north bay just noped out on anything like that. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5057/5423961825_2d5af7cef4_o.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5057/5423961825_2d5af7cef4_o....

junar 4y ago
Caltrain wasn't created out of thin air. They took over an existing train service that operated well before BART was even contemplated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsula_Commute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsula_Commute
- dekhn 4y ago
  It's kind of funny to walk around car-saturated streets in Berkeley and think "there was once a streetcar running on this street and another train that crossed the bay bridge" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_System
FunnyBadger 4y ago
I grew up in Marin and was a teen when the BART tax referendum occurred in the 1970s to extend BART into Marin. I remember the arguments against it (which carried the election): "We don't want people from Richmond and Oakland being able to come into Marin!" Well back then just like today, there is a distinct ethnic group this obviously refers to. That was the primary argument against it - we don't want blacks in Marin (unless they are "house blacks" living in Marin City which used to 99% black in the 1970s - it's been gentrified a lot since then). Even as a teen I knew exactly what they were really saying and I found it disgusting but it also made me aware of the fact that the most racist people are not Klansmen in white robes - it's progressive liberals and this was only my first experience with that. I've had plenty more since then over the decades. Marin county is full of racists. It's a large part of why I'd never live there despite how I will partially inherit my mother's house there (it will be sold off instead). You can talk to black folks driving through Marin about how they get followed by the police and often get warned to get out of the county ASAP if they want to avoid trouble. It's a large part of why I always lived on the east side of Silicon Valley (East SJ, Milpitas, Fremont, etc. where being "white" made me a minority) instead of the whiter west cities like PA, MV, SV, Cupertino, etc. You still hear to this day comments like I heard in Marin from people in these cities! We don't want "those people" from "over there" around here! It's a large part of why I no longer live in California and have no intention of returning despite being a native born California with all my remaining family still in California.
- pyinstallwoes 4y ago
  Where did you move to or where abouts? Thinking of getting out of Cali myself. It’s hilarious and sad how true it is re: progressive liberals being racist. Do they not see their hypocrisy? Oh well.
- dekhn 4y ago
  I'm glad the people in who lived in Berkeley/Albany voted to have BART (although I curse them for not paying to have it undergrounded. The whoosh and squeaky wheels used to wake me up every morning. Speaking of racism, I found out recently that my ex-landlord's grandfather was also a landlord in San Mateo, in the 1950s implemented racial exclusion deeds: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/opinion/sunday/blm-residential-segregation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/opinion/sunday/blm-reside... and as a coincidence, while looking that up, I found: https://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=Bohannon%E2%80%99s_Challenge_to_BART https://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=Bohannon%E2%80%99s_C... which suggests he may have also opposed BART in San Mateo on racial grounds.

junar 4y ago

Caltrain wasn't created out of thin air. They took over an existing train service that operated well before BART was even contemplated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsula_Commute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsula_Commute

dekhn 4y ago
It's kind of funny to walk around car-saturated streets in Berkeley and think "there was once a streetcar running on this street and another train that crossed the bay bridge" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_System

FunnyBadger 4y ago

I grew up in Marin and was a teen when the BART tax referendum occurred in the 1970s to extend BART into Marin. I remember the arguments against it (which carried the election): "We don't want people from Richmond and Oakland being able to come into Marin!" Well back then just like today, there is a distinct ethnic group this obviously refers to. That was the primary argument against it - we don't want blacks in Marin (unless they are "house blacks" living in Marin City which used to 99% black in the 1970s - it's been gentrified a lot since then). Even as a teen I knew exactly what they were really saying and I found it disgusting but it also made me aware of the fact that the most racist people are not Klansmen in white robes - it's progressive liberals and this was only my first experience with that. I've had plenty more since then over the decades. Marin county is full of racists. It's a large part of why I'd never live there despite how I will partially inherit my mother's house there (it will be sold off instead). You can talk to black folks driving through Marin about how they get followed by the police and often get warned to get out of the county ASAP if they want to avoid trouble. It's a large part of why I always lived on the east side of Silicon Valley (East SJ, Milpitas, Fremont, etc. where being "white" made me a minority) instead of the whiter west cities like PA, MV, SV, Cupertino, etc. You still hear to this day comments like I heard in Marin from people in these cities! We don't want "those people" from "over there" around here! It's a large part of why I no longer live in California and have no intention of returning despite being a native born California with all my remaining family still in California.

pyinstallwoes 4y ago
Where did you move to or where abouts? Thinking of getting out of Cali myself. It’s hilarious and sad how true it is re: progressive liberals being racist. Do they not see their hypocrisy? Oh well.
dekhn 4y ago
I'm glad the people in who lived in Berkeley/Albany voted to have BART (although I curse them for not paying to have it undergrounded. The whoosh and squeaky wheels used to wake me up every morning. Speaking of racism, I found out recently that my ex-landlord's grandfather was also a landlord in San Mateo, in the 1950s implemented racial exclusion deeds: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/opinion/sunday/blm-residential-segregation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/opinion/sunday/blm-reside... and as a coincidence, while looking that up, I found: https://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=Bohannon%E2%80%99s_Challenge_to_BART https://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=Bohannon%E2%80%99s_C... which suggests he may have also opposed BART in San Mateo on racial grounds.