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Great document. Damn I am salivating to get access to Dall-E for some projects. Been on the waiting list for quite a while. I've been experimenting with Midjo

Great document. Damn I am salivating to get access to Dall-E for some projects. Been on the waiting list for quite a while. I've been experimenting with Midjourney, which is amazing for spooky/ethereal artwork, but it struggles with complex prompts and realism.

kriro 4y ago
I'm also waiting but only put myself on the waitlist recently. I want to use it to generate synthetic image datasets from text descriptions. Very curious to explore the depth of what can be generated.
DecayingOrganic 4y ago
Hang in there — I only got my invitation a couple days ago. They're still rolling out invitations at a steady pace. But, just as a side note, one of the first things they tell you is that they own the full copyright for any images you generate. You definitely have to play around with prompts to get a feel for how it works and to maximize the chance of getting something closer to what you want.
- nyanpasu64 4y ago
  I don't think the provider of an AI image generator service can decide they own the copyrights to it (perhaps they can require you assign the copyrights, though it may not even be copyrightable?), only courts can (and they decided the person setting up cameras for monkeys didn't own the copyrights to the monkey photos)?
  - visarga 4y ago
    DALL-E needs human input to start generating, the monkey pressed the shutter all on its own.
  - geoelectric 4y ago
    Courts only decided the monkey couldn't copyright the photo (the PETA case). The copyright office claimed works created by a non-human aren't copyrightable at all when they refused Slater, but that was never challenged or decided in court. It's not a slam dunk, since the human had to do something to set up the situation and he did it specifically to maximize the chance of the camera recording a monkey selfie. If I set up a rube goldberg machine to snap the photo when the wind blows hard enough, how far removed from the final step do I have to get before it's not me owning the result anymore? That's the essence of the case, had it gone to court, probably the essence here too. My guess is the creativity needed for the prompt would make the output at least a jointly derived work regardless of any assignment disclaimers--pretty sure you can't casually transfer copyright ownership outside a work for hire agreement, only grant licenses--but IANAL and that's just a guess.
- woojoo666 4y ago
  When did you sign up? I just signed up, and it sounds like it takes a year to get access, probably longer now. It's a bit frustrating because I didn't sign up when it came out because I didn't need it at the time, but now I'm afraid of waiting a year when I do. These types of waitlist systems encourage everybody to sign up for everything on the off-chance that they might need it later. Wish they just went with a simple pay-as-you-go model (with free access for researchers and other special cases who request it), like how Copilot does it.
  - DecayingOrganic 4y ago
    I signed up just over a month ago and from what I've seen, it looks like you won't have to wait more than two months to get your invite. A lot of people who signed up around the same time as me have already received their invites, so it looks like they're speeding things up and getting ready for a public launch soon.
    - TrickyRick 4y ago
      Consider yourself lucky, I signed up in May and I'm still waiting.
      - m_kos 4y ago
        I signed up on April 8th and I am still waiting too.
zitterbewegung 4y ago
You can have free access here to dalle at https://replicate.com/nicholascelestin/dalle-mega https://replicate.com/nicholascelestin/dalle-mega and dalle mini https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini
- pjgalbraith 4y ago
  That's an open source recreation based on DALL-E 1. It's different to DALL-E 2, if you want that look for DALLE2-pytorch, but note that it hasn't been trained fully yet.
- Centmo 4y ago
  Is this significantly different from Dall-E2?
  - dmd 4y ago
    The model is roughly 4 orders of magnitude smaller.
    - muzani 4y ago
      That's a nice way of saying it's 10000 times worse. It's just worlds apart.
      - travbrack 4y ago
        Idk, it's pretty damn good at a lot of things, still. It's definitely very useful. Mega, at least. Mini is ok.
- konfusinomicon 4y ago
  My propmt of 'penguin smoking a bong' does not disappoint on either, although hugging face more accurately portrayed the act of smoking, while replicate gave me images of penguin shaped bongs
noduerme 4y ago
I've played with Midjourney for awhile and just got my invite to DALL-E last night. One thing I think is really cool about Midjourney is the ability to give it image URLs as part of the prompts. I can't say I've had tremendous success with it, and it still feels a little half-baked, but I wish DALL-E had something along those lines. (Unless it does and I'm missing it). It's much easier to show examples of a particular style than to try to describe it, especially if it isn't something specifically named in the AI's training set.
- pjgalbraith 4y ago
  You can upload an image to DALL-E, edit it and add a prompt to it as well.
  - astrange 4y ago
    DALLE2 isn't as flexible as the more open colab notebooks here; you can do "variations" of an image but you can't edit an image except through inpainting, so it's hard to generate "AI art" style images of the kind Midjourney and Diffusion are good at. It also won't allow uploading images with faces in them.
kromem 4y ago
Just got mine last night. I think they are scaling up invites in the past few days.
- raunak 4y ago
  Same here - I got mine 2 days ago. Signed up when it first dropped.
muzani 4y ago
I use both too. Dall E has heavy restrictions. It's basically G rated, so no horror. And no real world stuff like "Donald Trump with a mohawk". MJ falls apart when you ask for fine detail. It's a bit of the AI cliche where you have to describe the colour, shape, etc in detail to mold what you want. Asking for a "monkey, gorilla, and chimp riding a bicycle" might have a chimp riding a monkey-gorilla as a bicycle. Dall E is a lot better with words. It seems to "smooth" some stuff. Like asking for a bone axe will still show regular axes. But MJ is probably the best choice if you want to do landscapes and stuff, especially horror/dystopian themed.
margoguryan 4y ago
Get familiar with CLIP regardless! I have very little interest in DALL-E as an artist/prompter but as a futurist it is quite exciting.

kriro 4y ago

I'm also waiting but only put myself on the waitlist recently. I want to use it to generate synthetic image datasets from text descriptions. Very curious to explore the depth of what can be generated.

DecayingOrganic 4y ago

Hang in there — I only got my invitation a couple days ago. They're still rolling out invitations at a steady pace. But, just as a side note, one of the first things they tell you is that they own the full copyright for any images you generate. You definitely have to play around with prompts to get a feel for how it works and to maximize the chance of getting something closer to what you want.

nyanpasu64 4y ago
I don't think the provider of an AI image generator service can decide they own the copyrights to it (perhaps they can require you assign the copyrights, though it may not even be copyrightable?), only courts can (and they decided the person setting up cameras for monkeys didn't own the copyrights to the monkey photos)?
- visarga 4y ago
  DALL-E needs human input to start generating, the monkey pressed the shutter all on its own.
- geoelectric 4y ago
  Courts only decided the monkey couldn't copyright the photo (the PETA case). The copyright office claimed works created by a non-human aren't copyrightable at all when they refused Slater, but that was never challenged or decided in court. It's not a slam dunk, since the human had to do something to set up the situation and he did it specifically to maximize the chance of the camera recording a monkey selfie. If I set up a rube goldberg machine to snap the photo when the wind blows hard enough, how far removed from the final step do I have to get before it's not me owning the result anymore? That's the essence of the case, had it gone to court, probably the essence here too. My guess is the creativity needed for the prompt would make the output at least a jointly derived work regardless of any assignment disclaimers--pretty sure you can't casually transfer copyright ownership outside a work for hire agreement, only grant licenses--but IANAL and that's just a guess.
woojoo666 4y ago
When did you sign up? I just signed up, and it sounds like it takes a year to get access, probably longer now. It's a bit frustrating because I didn't sign up when it came out because I didn't need it at the time, but now I'm afraid of waiting a year when I do. These types of waitlist systems encourage everybody to sign up for everything on the off-chance that they might need it later. Wish they just went with a simple pay-as-you-go model (with free access for researchers and other special cases who request it), like how Copilot does it.
- DecayingOrganic 4y ago
  I signed up just over a month ago and from what I've seen, it looks like you won't have to wait more than two months to get your invite. A lot of people who signed up around the same time as me have already received their invites, so it looks like they're speeding things up and getting ready for a public launch soon.
  - TrickyRick 4y ago
    Consider yourself lucky, I signed up in May and I'm still waiting.
    - m_kos 4y ago
      I signed up on April 8th and I am still waiting too.

zitterbewegung 4y ago

You can have free access here to dalle at https://replicate.com/nicholascelestin/dalle-mega https://replicate.com/nicholascelestin/dalle-mega and dalle mini https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini

pjgalbraith 4y ago
That's an open source recreation based on DALL-E 1. It's different to DALL-E 2, if you want that look for DALLE2-pytorch, but note that it hasn't been trained fully yet.
Centmo 4y ago
Is this significantly different from Dall-E2?
- dmd 4y ago
  The model is roughly 4 orders of magnitude smaller.
  - muzani 4y ago
    That's a nice way of saying it's 10000 times worse. It's just worlds apart.
    - travbrack 4y ago
      Idk, it's pretty damn good at a lot of things, still. It's definitely very useful. Mega, at least. Mini is ok.
konfusinomicon 4y ago
My propmt of 'penguin smoking a bong' does not disappoint on either, although hugging face more accurately portrayed the act of smoking, while replicate gave me images of penguin shaped bongs

noduerme 4y ago

I've played with Midjourney for awhile and just got my invite to DALL-E last night. One thing I think is really cool about Midjourney is the ability to give it image URLs as part of the prompts. I can't say I've had tremendous success with it, and it still feels a little half-baked, but I wish DALL-E had something along those lines. (Unless it does and I'm missing it). It's much easier to show examples of a particular style than to try to describe it, especially if it isn't something specifically named in the AI's training set.

pjgalbraith 4y ago
You can upload an image to DALL-E, edit it and add a prompt to it as well.
- astrange 4y ago
  DALLE2 isn't as flexible as the more open colab notebooks here; you can do "variations" of an image but you can't edit an image except through inpainting, so it's hard to generate "AI art" style images of the kind Midjourney and Diffusion are good at. It also won't allow uploading images with faces in them.

kromem 4y ago

Just got mine last night. I think they are scaling up invites in the past few days.

raunak 4y ago
Same here - I got mine 2 days ago. Signed up when it first dropped.

muzani 4y ago

I use both too. Dall E has heavy restrictions. It's basically G rated, so no horror. And no real world stuff like "Donald Trump with a mohawk". MJ falls apart when you ask for fine detail. It's a bit of the AI cliche where you have to describe the colour, shape, etc in detail to mold what you want. Asking for a "monkey, gorilla, and chimp riding a bicycle" might have a chimp riding a monkey-gorilla as a bicycle. Dall E is a lot better with words. It seems to "smooth" some stuff. Like asking for a bone axe will still show regular axes. But MJ is probably the best choice if you want to do landscapes and stuff, especially horror/dystopian themed.

margoguryan 4y ago

Get familiar with CLIP regardless! I have very little interest in DALL-E as an artist/prompter but as a futurist it is quite exciting.