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Some marginalised groups struggle to get ID.

by chrisseaton 4y ago

lotsofpulp 4y ago
That problem is not within the scope of operating a food service business.
- Spivak 4y ago
  That’s not how that works, the problem of getting marginalized people ID cards isn’t solvable by someone in food service. The problem of selling food to your customers in a manner that doesn’t require government ID is. Like it just requires a little empathy and two seconds of creativity to come up with some other ways you could, depending on what they have, check that it’s their order — they could show their phone, any credit card with their name since they paid with an app, specific details about the order, approximately when they sent it in.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    The restaurant could, or could not. It is certainly not "dystopian" though for a restauranteur to decide to save time and streamline by simply requiring verification that the person picking up the food is the person who paid for the food.
- shagie 4y ago
  An EBT card often has one's name on it. Or a credit card. Or maybe a frequent customer card from the store itself. There are many options to provide sufficient identification. The goal would be to have something that disconnects the person who is getting the food from the 3rd party delivery and allows the restaurant to charge the 3rd party delivery an additional premium.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    Sure, but I am not sure how it relates to my statement disputing that a business verifying the recipient of products/services is the payer is dystopian.
    - shagie 4y ago
      Having had someone pick up my pizza order and a sub order in the past (be it an innocent mistake of a similar looking order or someone stealing my order), I don't exactly consider this dystopian to verify that the pickup order is the same as the person who placed the order. It puts some addition friction and costs on 3rd party companies doing deliveries that the restaurant doesn't have a partnership with.
mmmpop 4y ago
Imagine an app where we can bring the identifying people _to you_.
Dylan16807 4y ago
Doordash is such a waste of money that I'm not very worried about the overlap.
samatman 4y ago
Which groups were you thinking of?
- shagie 4y ago
  It is one of the common problems/approaches to disenfranchisement - make it hard to get a government issued ID. Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a...
tomcam 4y ago
Such as?

Some marginalised groups struggle to get ID.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

That problem is not within the scope of operating a food service business.

Spivak 4y ago
That’s not how that works, the problem of getting marginalized people ID cards isn’t solvable by someone in food service. The problem of selling food to your customers in a manner that doesn’t require government ID is. Like it just requires a little empathy and two seconds of creativity to come up with some other ways you could, depending on what they have, check that it’s their order — they could show their phone, any credit card with their name since they paid with an app, specific details about the order, approximately when they sent it in.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  The restaurant could, or could not. It is certainly not "dystopian" though for a restauranteur to decide to save time and streamline by simply requiring verification that the person picking up the food is the person who paid for the food.
shagie 4y ago
An EBT card often has one's name on it. Or a credit card. Or maybe a frequent customer card from the store itself. There are many options to provide sufficient identification. The goal would be to have something that disconnects the person who is getting the food from the 3rd party delivery and allows the restaurant to charge the 3rd party delivery an additional premium.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  Sure, but I am not sure how it relates to my statement disputing that a business verifying the recipient of products/services is the payer is dystopian.
  - shagie 4y ago
    Having had someone pick up my pizza order and a sub order in the past (be it an innocent mistake of a similar looking order or someone stealing my order), I don't exactly consider this dystopian to verify that the pickup order is the same as the person who placed the order. It puts some addition friction and costs on 3rd party companies doing deliveries that the restaurant doesn't have a partnership with.

mmmpop 4y ago

Imagine an app where we can bring the identifying people _to you_.

Dylan16807 4y ago

Doordash is such a waste of money that I'm not very worried about the overlap.

samatman 4y ago

Which groups were you thinking of?

shagie 4y ago
It is one of the common problems/approaches to disenfranchisement - make it hard to get a government issued ID. Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a...

tomcam 4y ago

Such as?