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I don’t think this is uncommon—in fact I think it’s the way many recruiters work.

by a2tech 4y ago

raverbashing 4y ago
Hence why most companies don't accept placements by recruiters unless it's the one they specifically hired for the job
- apohn 4y ago
  Unfortunately recruiters lie about "exclusivity" as well. About a year ago I was on the job market and multiple recruiters reached out to me with the exact same job listing, just with the company name removed. All of them claimed to have an exclusive relationship with the company and they were working directly with the hiring manager. With 5 minutes of Googling I found the original position and the company that posted it. Do they get penalized if they present a candidate for the job and the company says "No recruiters" and they remove the candidate from their candidate pool?
  - benglish11 4y ago
    penalized by who? It works enough that tech recruiters and their agencies make a lot of money. If there is no agreement between the company and the recruiter the company is free to contact that applicant themselves. The recruiter will usually hide the contact information of the applicant for this reason. Enough hiring companies only care about getting a seemingly qualified applicant in for an interview and will ignore what ever shady things recruiters do.
    - HWR_14 4y ago
      He's asking if he, as a candidate, will get blackballed by the company if a recruiter submits his resume. I think you're assuring him he will not.
gumby 4y ago
Nowadays you can often use a search with some text from the ad to figure out who the real company is. Though who would bother?
- gorbachev 4y ago
  I do that every time a recruiter cold calls me about an opportunity without mentioning the company, if the opportunity sounds interesting.
- Kalium 4y ago
  I do that to find out who the company is. It's usually a better way to find out how much they pay than the recruiter is. Too often recruiters try to avoid telling me either item.
- stevage 4y ago
  Who would bother to find out who the company they would be working for is? Who wouldn't?
- albedoa 4y ago
  > Though who would bother? It takes like four seconds.
yomkippur 4y ago
thih9 4y ago
And many real estate agents, and sadly perhaps more occupations.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  How is that how real estate agents work? The seller signs an agreement outlining compensation with a real estate agent before any work is done.
  - jjk2178 4y ago
    A real estate agent might repost an owner's ad for an apartment, and earn a broker's fee from the renter when the apartment is rented
    - lotsofpulp 4y ago
      I have only dealt with agents for apartment rentals in NYC, and there, the landlord hires the agent and agrees to pay them a fee, just like a house seller would agree to. If neither a renter or the landlord have an agreement to pay an agent, why would the agent be owed any money?
      - RHSeeger 4y ago
        In Mass, it's the renter that pays the fee.
        lotsofpulp 4y ago
        In NYC, the renter usually pays the fee too, but that is simply part of the rental agreement from the landlord. The person that agreed to pay agent is still the landlord. In times when supply of apartments exceeds demand from renters, landlords have to pay the agent from their pocket. But the point is that in all cases, someone agreed to pay an agent. The agent did not simply materialize and obtained a right to collect money from someone.
    - 4y ago
m463 4y ago
recruiters have all kinds of shady tactics. A friend asked me if he could use me as a reference, and I said sure. A few days later I got a call asking about my friend, and I readily engaged because I took being a reference seriously. As we were winding up, he suddenly asked if I was looking for a position. I then began to realize it was the recruiter - who was recruiting off the reference list of my friend. I was gracious (but pissed off, because I think the whole thing might have not been about my friend but recruiting).
mcv 4y ago
I would love to do business directly with the company, but often they don't reach out to me, while these intermediary recruiters do. I guess the value of recruiters is that they reach out to companies and to developers, and they connect the two. Recruiters who merely repost the same listing that the company posted without adding any value, deserve to go out of business. Mind you, if every listing contained the hourly rate or pay range, they'd have a much harder time inserting themselves where they don't belong.

I don’t think this is uncommon—in fact I think it’s the way many recruiters work.

by a2tech 4y ago

I don’t think this is uncommon—in fact I think it’s the way many recruiters work.

raverbashing 4y ago

Hence why most companies don't accept placements by recruiters unless it's the one they specifically hired for the job

apohn 4y ago
Unfortunately recruiters lie about "exclusivity" as well. About a year ago I was on the job market and multiple recruiters reached out to me with the exact same job listing, just with the company name removed. All of them claimed to have an exclusive relationship with the company and they were working directly with the hiring manager. With 5 minutes of Googling I found the original position and the company that posted it. Do they get penalized if they present a candidate for the job and the company says "No recruiters" and they remove the candidate from their candidate pool?
- benglish11 4y ago
  penalized by who? It works enough that tech recruiters and their agencies make a lot of money. If there is no agreement between the company and the recruiter the company is free to contact that applicant themselves. The recruiter will usually hide the contact information of the applicant for this reason. Enough hiring companies only care about getting a seemingly qualified applicant in for an interview and will ignore what ever shady things recruiters do.
  - HWR_14 4y ago
    He's asking if he, as a candidate, will get blackballed by the company if a recruiter submits his resume. I think you're assuring him he will not.

gumby 4y ago

Nowadays you can often use a search with some text from the ad to figure out who the real company is. Though who would bother?

gorbachev 4y ago
I do that every time a recruiter cold calls me about an opportunity without mentioning the company, if the opportunity sounds interesting.
Kalium 4y ago
I do that to find out who the company is. It's usually a better way to find out how much they pay than the recruiter is. Too often recruiters try to avoid telling me either item.
stevage 4y ago
Who would bother to find out who the company they would be working for is? Who wouldn't?
albedoa 4y ago
> Though who would bother? It takes like four seconds.

yomkippur 4y ago

thih9 4y ago

And many real estate agents, and sadly perhaps more occupations.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
How is that how real estate agents work? The seller signs an agreement outlining compensation with a real estate agent before any work is done.
- jjk2178 4y ago
  A real estate agent might repost an owner's ad for an apartment, and earn a broker's fee from the renter when the apartment is rented
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    I have only dealt with agents for apartment rentals in NYC, and there, the landlord hires the agent and agrees to pay them a fee, just like a house seller would agree to. If neither a renter or the landlord have an agreement to pay an agent, why would the agent be owed any money?
    - RHSeeger 4y ago
      In Mass, it's the renter that pays the fee.
      - lotsofpulp 4y ago
        In NYC, the renter usually pays the fee too, but that is simply part of the rental agreement from the landlord. The person that agreed to pay agent is still the landlord. In times when supply of apartments exceeds demand from renters, landlords have to pay the agent from their pocket. But the point is that in all cases, someone agreed to pay an agent. The agent did not simply materialize and obtained a right to collect money from someone.
  - 4y ago

m463 4y ago

recruiters have all kinds of shady tactics. A friend asked me if he could use me as a reference, and I said sure. A few days later I got a call asking about my friend, and I readily engaged because I took being a reference seriously. As we were winding up, he suddenly asked if I was looking for a position. I then began to realize it was the recruiter - who was recruiting off the reference list of my friend. I was gracious (but pissed off, because I think the whole thing might have not been about my friend but recruiting).

mcv 4y ago

I would love to do business directly with the company, but often they don't reach out to me, while these intermediary recruiters do. I guess the value of recruiters is that they reach out to companies and to developers, and they connect the two. Recruiters who merely repost the same listing that the company posted without adding any value, deserve to go out of business. Mind you, if every listing contained the hourly rate or pay range, they'd have a much harder time inserting themselves where they don't belong.