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So moved into a newly built house, by default everyone gets a smart doorbell in this house. They looked at me like I was crazy when I said I didn't want it or a
by buscoquadnary 4y ago
So moved into a newly built house, by default everyone gets a smart doorbell in this house. They looked at me like I was crazy when I said I didn't want it or any of the other the "smart" devices.
This was the exact reason.
- AlwaysRock 4y agoTo be fair... If you carry around a smart phone or have a smart watch or a laptop you're at just as much risk. The ring is just one more device.
- ubermonkey 4y agoWell, no, not exactly. The ring is an always-on camera. My phone is not that. My phone may leak some information about me, and its basic job (cell phone) provides a record of location data, but that's not the same thing as forcibly making a home security device into part of a police state panopticon.
- CursedUrn 4y agoAre you sure your phone microphone isn't always on? At the very least your voice assistant is listening all the time to detect the trigger word (does this send the voice to the cloud for AI assisted detection?). Also if you search for articles about Ultrasonic Beacons, they imply adware tech is listening all the time too.
- SoftTalker 4y agoI disabled voice assistant and trigger word on my android. I hate talking to machines.
- Handytinge 4y agoIt's wild to me you think someone using the phrase "police state panopticon" would have an always on voice assistant enabled.
- ubermonkey 4y agoI am, in part because I don't use the trigger word functionality.
- ensignavenger 4y agoMy smart phone is not recording video all the time and uploading it to somebody else's computer. It does send location pings to the cell tower when turned on... However, I can easily turn my smart phone off, or leave it home or somewhere else. Security cameras and thermostats and refrigerators aren't so easy to just turn off.
- AlwaysRock 4y agoIt's listening and recording audio at all time.
- Handytinge 4y agoThere are billions of smart phones out there, and hundreds of thousands of technical minds both working at the companies who make them, and owning and checking them for these things. Please provide a singular credible source for your statement.
- seanmcdirmid 4y agoI guess if you don’t have prowler or package theft problems, they aren’t really necessary. I personally have found my Nest cameras indispensable. Ironically, if police would just do their job on property crime, they wouldn’t be so needed.
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- ensignavenger 4y agoThere are alternative cameras that don't have the same privacy concerns.
- lijogdfljk 4y agoYup. I absolutely love my cameras. I wouldn't have set them up without a home server to isolate them, though.
- archon810 4y agoThe problem with those is they're easily stolen during a home invasion.
- RNAlfons 4y agoCan you recommend some?
- sebazzz 4y agoEufy, which records locally. Doesn't have as much "AI" though.
- archon810 4y agoI have several Eufy cams and while their hardware is excellent, the software leaves much to be desired. My biggest gripe right now is when you get a notification and tap it on Android, you get such a cut down UI, it doesn't even have a scrubber and you can't fast forward or rewind. Just a completely barebones player you can't control. Once you exit that and go to the camera history, you get a normal player with controls. Makes no sense to me whatsoever.
- chickenpotpie 4y agoI live in a community like yours and IMO you're just hurting yourself. Your home is probably already covered by everyone else's cameras and they can just pull the footage from them. It seems like the only person that doesn't have access to recordings of their own home now is you.
- buscoquadnary 4y agoActually across the street from my house is a fence and so I only have neighbors on the sides, because of that my home is not being videoed. But also because for me the minor inconvenience of not constantly videotaping my house is overwhelmed by the opportunity to stand on a principle. Sure it doesn't do much to Amazon or anyone else but at least I know I am not participating in the Orwellian surveillance state. It also gives me the opportunity that when people notice and ask about it, to inform them about it. A lot of people didn't realize that this information was available to the government to use at their discretion as well.
- jjulius 4y agoOP already responded to your comment, but I'll bite and argue that, in your hypothetical, they're not hurting themselves. First, they're taking a stand based on principal. That they're successful in doing so is a win for them. Second, to your point, they're still covered in case of theft because their "home is probably already covered by everyone else's cameras and they can just pull the footage from them". Assuming they're on good terms with their neighbors, this request should be pretty easy and quick to fulfill. If they're not, local PD can still get a warrant for the footage.
- chickenpotpie 4y ago> First, they're taking a stand based on principal. I'm all for that, but taking a stand doesn't benefit the individual. Taking a stand is for the benefit of society and requires the collaboration of society > Assuming they're on good terms with their neighbors, this request should be pretty easy and quick to fulfill. If they're not, local PD can still get a warrant for the footage. yes and that process is just objectively much more difficult than pulling the data from your own camera, which takes all of five seconds versus an order from a judge. That means they're life is worse.