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It is funny how the main source of this story is the guy who runs a business that profits off "independent contractors". It is almost as if the people who are m

It is funny how the main source of this story is the guy who runs a business that profits off "independent contractors". It is almost as if the people who are mad about this are not actually a significant portion of the independent contractors.

throwaway0a5e 4y ago
The people that like AB5 are the mega fleets (Swify, Schnieder, etc). The people that don't are literally everyone else in the industry. Considering that almost everyone in the industry started working for a mega fleet and got out as soon as they were able I'm gonna side with them. The fact that the OOIDA is lobbying against this is also a pretty strong data point. I think that constitutes a stronger signal than some internet comment hurring and durring about how 1099ing drivers is exploitative based on a few data points in one B2C industry.
smeej 4y ago
I'm not sure how Reimer (assuming that's the guy you're talking about) counts as the "main source" here. There are several other people quoted, including owner operators and someone responsible for oversight of the port. There is also researched factual information about the legal status of the relevant laws. Singling out that one guy as the "main source" doesn't make much sense here.
- NohatCoder 4y ago
  Reimer and Aboudi are both "non-employers", they make up the bulk of citations. Sanfield say basically nothing. And then there is anonymous person to represent independent contractors, because apparently it was really hard to get someone from that class to say what the author of the article wanted to write.
  - smeej 4y ago
    Either that or it's a lot harder to get OTR truck drivers who run their own businesses as independent contractors to sit down in one place or take a phone call, which they're not supposed to do while driving, than it is to go to the port in question or contact the offices of a guy with a desk job.
    - kadoban 4y ago
      I mean, if they're seriously mad enough about this to go on ~strike, it shouldn't be too hard to get some of them on record.
    - zrobotics 4y ago
      Umm, truckers spend their entire day on phone calls or listening to podcasts. They aren't supposed to use a phone directly, but hands free headsets are perfectly within regs. There's no way they couldn't find a trucker to use as a source due to DOT regs. Plus, drivers spend a hell of a lot of time waiting to unload, with the truck idling and them just sitting. I know quite a few truckers (personally as well as through my job) and you would be hard pressed to find a group of people more interested in having a long phone call. I can't understate this, truckers will talk your ear off given half the chance and many of them will trade phone numbers and call each other to chat. Phone calls and podcasts are their main thing through the day, and I can't blame them. Yes, it's a DOT violation to fuck with your phone while driving, but it's fairly easy to preload podcasts to auto play before taking off and place calls using voice commands. Guaranteed the guy with the desk job has less time; freight brokers and dispatchers have high-stress jobs that require nearly 100% of time spent on the phone (you handle emails while talking to other people). Those are also high turnover, but not as bad as trucking simply because the hours suck less. Even local trucking is incredibly shit hours, it's not uncommon for it to be a 14 hour day when including stoppages.

throwaway0a5e 4y ago

The people that like AB5 are the mega fleets (Swify, Schnieder, etc). The people that don't are literally everyone else in the industry. Considering that almost everyone in the industry started working for a mega fleet and got out as soon as they were able I'm gonna side with them. The fact that the OOIDA is lobbying against this is also a pretty strong data point. I think that constitutes a stronger signal than some internet comment hurring and durring about how 1099ing drivers is exploitative based on a few data points in one B2C industry.

smeej 4y ago

I'm not sure how Reimer (assuming that's the guy you're talking about) counts as the "main source" here. There are several other people quoted, including owner operators and someone responsible for oversight of the port. There is also researched factual information about the legal status of the relevant laws. Singling out that one guy as the "main source" doesn't make much sense here.

NohatCoder 4y ago
Reimer and Aboudi are both "non-employers", they make up the bulk of citations. Sanfield say basically nothing. And then there is anonymous person to represent independent contractors, because apparently it was really hard to get someone from that class to say what the author of the article wanted to write.
- smeej 4y ago
  Either that or it's a lot harder to get OTR truck drivers who run their own businesses as independent contractors to sit down in one place or take a phone call, which they're not supposed to do while driving, than it is to go to the port in question or contact the offices of a guy with a desk job.
  - kadoban 4y ago
    I mean, if they're seriously mad enough about this to go on ~strike, it shouldn't be too hard to get some of them on record.
  - zrobotics 4y ago
    Umm, truckers spend their entire day on phone calls or listening to podcasts. They aren't supposed to use a phone directly, but hands free headsets are perfectly within regs. There's no way they couldn't find a trucker to use as a source due to DOT regs. Plus, drivers spend a hell of a lot of time waiting to unload, with the truck idling and them just sitting. I know quite a few truckers (personally as well as through my job) and you would be hard pressed to find a group of people more interested in having a long phone call. I can't understate this, truckers will talk your ear off given half the chance and many of them will trade phone numbers and call each other to chat. Phone calls and podcasts are their main thing through the day, and I can't blame them. Yes, it's a DOT violation to fuck with your phone while driving, but it's fairly easy to preload podcasts to auto play before taking off and place calls using voice commands. Guaranteed the guy with the desk job has less time; freight brokers and dispatchers have high-stress jobs that require nearly 100% of time spent on the phone (you handle emails while talking to other people). Those are also high turnover, but not as bad as trucking simply because the hours suck less. Even local trucking is incredibly shit hours, it's not uncommon for it to be a 14 hour day when including stoppages.