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There's a quote from this article under the Cable Viewership section that I found interesting. "Cable viewership across the three major cable news networks — CN
by pcorsaro 4y ago
There's a quote from this article under the Cable Viewership section that I found interesting. "Cable viewership across the three major cable news networks — CNN, Fox News and MSNBC — is, on average, down 19% in prime time for the first half of this year compared to the first half of 2021. Those losses skew heavily toward CNN and MSNBC, which are down 47% and 33%, respectively. Fox's ratings are up 12% in that six-month span."
That's a very weird, biased way of phrasing that. The two left leaning news organizations are down quite a bit, but the right leaning organization is actually up, but we're going to lump them all together and make it look like they're all down at first glance.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoThey are back to back sentences. Pretty bad attempt at obfuscating. The first sentence claims data “across” all channels, and the following sentence breaks it down.
- starkd 4y agoBut they included Foxnews in the first sentence where they claimed it was down "across the board".
- lotsofpulp 4y agoIs that not what across the board means? There are 3 news channels, all of them have to be added together for an across the board measurement.
- DiggyJohnson 4y agoNot at all - in my opinion. “Across the board” means something closer “true in every case”. Though as I type this, I realize some people my think of it as “in total.”
- bee_rider 4y agoNote that "across the board" does not actually appear in the article.
- DiggyJohnson 4y agoN.b. indeed, cheers
- lotsofpulp 4y agoYou are right, that is what across the board means. I was mixing up what the person who replied to me wrote with what I wrote. Oops!
- carbadtraingood 4y ago"Across the board" means "in every instance" not "in aggregate", at least in my experience.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoYes, that is correct. I was misremembering what I read. It was “across the three major cable news networks” Which I paraphrased as “Across all the channels” Which the person replying to me changed to “Across the board”.
- bee_rider 4y agoNote that "across the board" is not actually a quote here (despite being in quotes).
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- spread_love 4y agoNo, they said it is down "on average." That is true, and immediately clarified in the following sentence.
- ohiovr 4y agoIf Foxnews and Skynews were down 54% and 33% and CNN was up 19% how would they write it? Still on average? Or those mean right wing news outlets are doing terrible, but the good Left wing CNN is taking up the lead!
- spread_love 4y agoThey listed the top 3 cable networks. If Skynews was one of those, presumably it would be included...
- rootusrootus 4y agoThat's digging really hard to find a conspiracy. They didn't mince words, in two sentences they gave the full details. All in the same font, same paragraph.
- johncearls 4y agoI think you mean bias, not conspiracy.
- pcorsaro 4y agoThe paragraph starts by saying viewership is down across the the three major news networks. That’s not exactly across the board, but means the same thing.
- spread_love 4y agoCable viewership across the three major cable news networks is, on average, down 19%. It's specifically not "across the board."
- fullshark 4y agoWhen your team has control -> stick your head in the sand. When the other team has control -> bathe in outrage.
- Grim-444 4y agoSimilarly, if your political ideology gets their way, it's a "success of democracy", while if anyone else's ideas get traction, it's the "end of democracy". When, ironically, that very thought pattern is itself the end of democracy.
- quetzthecoatl 4y agoIn the same lines : "judicial activism" and "judicial coup".
- landemva 4y agoOutrage over 'populism' in 2016.
- bee_rider 4y agoWhere does the bias come in? You would have to stop reading literally mid-paragraph to be mislead.
- computerphage 4y agoSounds like it comes in the first half of the paragraph then
- bee_rider 4y agoThat every given sentence, when extracted from context, should be totally free of bias, is a ridiculous expectation.
- JoshCole 4y agoIt? That? The? What are you talking about? It seems hypocritical to imply that meanings ought to be understood divorced from context while your own post doesn't meet the standard.
- pjbeam 4y agoThe point of a paragraph is to thread together sentences into meaning beyond that contained in them individually.
- spread_love 4y agoI just started reading A Tale of Two Cities, I assume the book is just about "the best of times." Otherwise the intro is written with incredible bias.
- bee_rider 4y ago> I just started reading [...] with incredible bias. wow how could you
- GenerocUsername 4y agoPost title repeats the same 'all together' bias, so it is likely the single strongest sentence in the article despite being wrong when viewed in detail
- V__ 4y agoFrom an outside perspective, I always have to chuckle when someone calls CNN, MSNBC left-leaning and FOX right-leaning. One is a full-blown conspiracy-theory right-wing "news" network, and the other two are just regular sensationalized news channels. Does the US even have left-leaning news?
- rootusrootus 4y ago> Does the US even have left-leaning news? Nothing mainstream. The right wing is fond of calling the other side communists, though in reality you could probably fit every actual communist American into a single stadium. America is a right-leaning country, there is no left to speak of. Though I suppose it might be fair to say that such constructs only really matter within a single political system, so "left" and "right" don't automatically have to be a particular definition.
- DiggyJohnson 4y agoHow can you defend MSNBC for being anything other than left-leaning? It’s not always as progressive as American progressives would like it to be, but not being progressive≠ not left leaning.
- carbadtraingood 4y agoMSNBC fundamentally believes capitalism is good and right. They are absolutely left of the Republican party, but they are hardly left. This is unfortunately a consequence of the two party system in the States. We equate Democrats with Left and Republicans with Right. Anything supportive of Democrats gets labeled "left" even if the policies are really centrist, pro capital ones. Because we don't really have the language here to differentiate the Left and Democrats in mainstream American parlance.
- DiggyJohnson 4y agoI’m confused, are you saying that any news outlet that doesn’t denounce capitalism isn’t truly left-biased? I think your perspective is more radical than you realize. You sound like a revolutionary to me, not a progressive.
- datalopers 4y agoCNN and MSNBC quote viewership. Fox quotes ratings. Not the same thing.
- jquery 4y agoHmm, I just noticed that. Can you elucidate the difference?
- ohiovr 4y agoThe difference helps CNN look better. Ratings is all that matters to a broadcaster.
- spread_love 4y agoNielsen reports viewership and ratings for all three networks. I know you're desperate here but at least don't play dumb.