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ISO name change for Türkiye
- Koffiepoeder 4y agoAbout a week ago the UN approved the decision to change the country's name from Turkey to Türkiye. ISO now follows suit and updated the short and full name of the country.
- throwaway2a02 4y agoIs there any other country that has a non-English ISO name? LE. There are a few, such as Côte d'Ivoire, Curaçao etc. But those names have been used in practice much more frequently than their English names.
- invalidusernam3 4y agoÅland Islands is the only other one I could see
- savolai 4y agoAlso: It's an autonomous region, doesn't quite count as country afaik.
- usr1106 4y agoCorrect, it's not a country but an autonomous region belonging to Finland. To make things not any easier, the only official language for Åland Islands is Swedish. The Swedish name is just Åland, nothing else. Nobody would call it Ålands öar, well a tourist brochure might call it Ålands örike (empire of islands) but that would sound ridiculous as an official name. So basically Åland Islands can't be anything but an English name. Maybe not a very clean one because it contains a non-English letter. So Türkiye is not without precedence.
- invalidusernam3 4y agoIt does appear on the ISO list though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_3166_country_codes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_3166_country_codes
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- Parae 4y agoSame goes with Cabo Verde, Costa Rica, Les Seychelles
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- donatj 4y agoI think what is meant is of letters of the English alphabet. English does not contain diacritics.
- jcranmer 4y agoYou would be naïve to think that, especially were you to write that on your résumé. That English has no diacritics is a façade built up to escape the fact that our keyboards make no provision for them. (A little bit forced, but those are all English words I learned as properly having those appropriate diacritics, when I first learned those words back in grade school.)
- donatj 4y agoLook those words up in the dictionary and they won’t have the diacritics, except as an alternative spelling. They’re loan words, and it’s a stylistic choice. Ask 95% of laymen to write those words and there will be no diacritics, and the language is defined by its users.
- jcranmer 4y agoSure, let's look them up in a dictionary: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/resume https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/resume résumé (noun) variants: or resume Huh.
- count 4y agoNice of you to skip over the first, primary entry and select the secondary entry. The primary entry has no accent characters.
- dmurray 4y agoIsn't Curaçao the English name? English doesn't usually have the ç character, but this is a loanword. I'd say if Curaçao is a non-English name, then so is Botswana or Luxembourg and more than "a few" others.
- usrusr 4y agoIf your place doesn't have a toponym in other languages it usually means that it hasn't been very important in history. The people who pushed for this change certainly feel quite the opposite about it, but to me it almost seems self-diminishing. "Our country is so insignificant it doesn't even have a name in languages that don't share our codepage"
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- em500 4y agoFortunately the 2 and 3 letter abbreviations (Alpha-2 and Alpha-3) didn't change. Typically we'd use the abbreviations for analysis, feature encoding, etc. and the full name only for display and human interface use (like for autocompletion), where most people will probably be more comfortable with and continue to use the old names for a while.
- Gare 4y agoIn EU communications (including statistics), Greece is referred to by the "EL" abbreviation, instead of ISO Alpha-2 code "GR" (as all other countries are). It confused me a few days ago.
- akaij 4y agoSimilar to Switzerland (CH).
- usr1106 4y agoI don't see any similarity. CH/ch is the one and only abbreviation used about everywhere. Which other one would be used by whom? The letters might not be obvious to any speaker of a living language. But that's intentionally I understood. They have several national and egen more local languages, so they chose an abbreviation from Latin. GR/gr is ISO for Greece, but EU uses EL/el the previous commenter wrote. The latter seems to come from Greek language, although then spelled using the Latin alphabet How are those cases similar, except for it's not obvious to the average English speaker where some letters came from?
- gumby 4y agoI don’t understand: “CH” is the ISO Alpha-2 code for Switzerland. What would be confusing to commenter Gare?
- kijeda 4y agoAre you sure its not in reference to "Greek" the language, rather than "Greece" the country? "el" is coding for Greek in ISO 639, IANA language subtags, etc.
- tkgally 4y agoI was curious how “Türkiye” is supposed to be pronounced in English. The following video offers one recommendation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPPXvZQDlps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPPXvZQDlps
- mrtksn 4y agoIt sounds like the actors are having hard time pronouncing it, would you agree that it's hard for non-Turkish?
- tkgally 4y agoGood point. Some of the actors seem to be native speakers of North American English and are trying to pronounce the last vowel of "Türkiye" with the vowel of "bed" or "sell." That vowel doesn't normally appear in word-final position in that dialect of English, so the actors have to make some effort to say it. Most English speakers trying to say "Türkiye" will, I suspect, use instead the vowel of "say" or "day."
- mavhc 4y agoIs the "the" really lower case?
- waqf 4y agoIt would be odd if it were not. Just as you would write "I went to the United States" not "I went to The United States". (Of course, lower case here means that you should use lower or upper case according to its position in the sentence; it doesn't mean forcibly overridden to lower case like e.e.cummings.)
- mkl 4y agoFrom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._E._Cummings#Name_and_capitalization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._E._Cummings#Name_and_capita...: > The Chicago Manual of Style, which prescribes favoring non-standard capitalization of names in accordance with the bearer's strongly stated preference, notes "E. E. Cummings can be safely capitalized; it was one of his publishers, not he himself, who lowercased his name."
- gumby 4y agoYeah, the same clowns who decided that the proper noun the Internet should be capitalized the the same way as the adjective internet (as in internet protocols). I’m not sure I would consider their reasoning, well, reasonable.
- mkl 4y agoWell there's other evidence in that section. I just picked something that was nicely quotable. The reasoning that the man himself usually capitalised his own name in the standard way so we should too is pretty hard to argue with.
- gumby 4y agoYou didn't need to justify your perfectly reasonable comment. I just hijacked your comment because I have an axe to grind.
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- concinds 4y agoTrolls are the only people saying this. Part of the motivation for the name change was to avoid being named the same as the bird. https://greekreporter.com/2022/06/07/petition-change-name-turkey-bird-turkiye/ https://greekreporter.com/2022/06/07/petition-change-name-tu...
- adrian_b 4y agoBut the turkey bird was named after the country Turkey, because the British wrongly believed that these birds are imported from Turkey. Similarly inappropriate names are used in French and in Portuguese, based on wrong beliefs about the origin of the turkey birds (from India or from Peru). While in French the relationship between "dinde" and "d'Inde" is less obvious, Peru might object on the same grounds as Turkey to the turkey being called "peru" in Portuguese. I believe that is always better to use the native names of countries, places, people and so on, but unfortunately, it is not realistic to expect that most native English speakers will ever be able to pronounce most foreign names in a way resembling their original pronunciation. Even for the countries whose names happen to be written in the same way in English as in their own language, the English speakers pronounce them very differently, mainly because they are habituated to correspondences between vowel letters and vowel sounds that are unlike those used in any other language.
- someotherperson 4y agoFun fact: the word for orange (the fruit) in Arabic and Turkish is named after Portugal the country :)
- burtuqal 4y agoDouble fun fact, it's the other way around :)
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- captainmuon 4y agoI just learned that Greece is called Yunanistan in Turkey. And as long as the English speaking world still butchers German town names (Hanover, Hamelin, Nuremberg instead of Hannover, Hameln, Nürnberg) I think it is legit to call the country Turkey.
- smt88 4y agoHanover instead of Hannover is "butchering" to you?
- haasted 4y agoAn absolute carnage!!
- InCityDreams 4y agoYes, username smmt8, it is.
- jalk 4y agoWould you campaign for it to be written as Hannofer in English so that non-German speakers will not butcher the current pronunciation. Obviously there are long historical reasons for language diffs of city names and I imagine many predates the nation states who now house those cities. Changes in local pronunciation is also a thing, and those changes are of course not always propagated to other languages
- kzrdude 4y agoIt's a curious tug of war. Of course every language is allowed to have its own words. Global use of English puts a special pressure on English.
- febeling 4y agoI also find it odd to think differing names of places in a foreign language as butchering. I like how München (Munich) is called Monaco in Italian. But if we do think it's butchering, why don't we refer to Germans as Deutsche in English, call the country Deutschland instead of Germany?
- perryizgr8 4y agoWhat has it changed to?
- tomerv 4y agoTurkey -> Türkiye
- perryizgr8 4y agoIn that case they should fix the title. It should be: ISO name change for Turkey
- quickthrower2 4y agoThey missed the oldest trick in the book. Rename it to “AAA Türkiye” and make it easier for their citizens to sign up for things / get things delivered internationally.
- orlp 4y agoFun anecdote: in World of Warcraft (at least used to when I played/programmed them) addons load in alphabetical order and all operate and communicate in a single global Lua scope. The result is that library addon names start with an exclamation mark to be loaded first, and if a library is particularly fundamental, multiple exclamation marks so other libraries can depend on it.
- quickthrower2 4y agoOne of the internal test systems tennant names where I work is like this (as there is a handy screen that lists them in alpha order)
- mort96 4y agoHow does ISO country names actually work? It's clearly using the English name for countries; Norway is listed as Norway, not as Norge. Does that mean Türkiye is now the English name for the country? Or is it now the only country with its own language's name rather than the English name in the registry? Basically, what's going on here?
- guipsp 4y agoTürkiye is the new official English-language name for the country
- unmole 4y agoThe umlaut says it's not English.
- int_19h 4y agoIt's the name that the country uses in its official communications in English, and expresses the desire to see the same name in English communications addressed to it.
- MonkeyClub 4y agoThey’re essentially throwing an identity tantrum on a global scale, while tip-toeing towards nationalism internally. This would be a laughable matter, were it not a sign of what’s coming.
- toast0 4y agoIn a world where we are asked to refer to people by their chosen names and pronouns rather than what they were asigned in the past, why should we not refer to a country by its chosen name? Especially if it's going through the proper channels to promulgate its name change?
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- jiggawatts 4y agoEven more awesome is that the capitalised version is TÜRKİYE, not TÜRKIYE, which is what you get if you call something like "Türkiye".ToUpper(); It's going to be fun to watch developers wrap their heads around that one...
- jakub_g 4y ago(if you're curious: Turkish has dotted and dotless "i": https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dotted_and_dotless_I https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dotted_and_dotless_I)
- korlja 4y ago.ToUpper() is locale-dependent, so can only be used if the locale of the text in question is known. E.g. German ß capitalizes to SS, and .ToUpper().ToLower() should give you either 'ss' or 'ß' depending on what it was before. Always outputting 'ss' is okish and readable, but actually wrong. Blindly calling .ToUpper() on anything is a typical anglo-centric mistake. Just don't use .ToUpper(), shoutcase is ugly anyways ;) See also: one of the many "100 fallacies programmers assume about natural written language" documents or such.
- egeozcan 4y ago> German ß capitalizes to SS, and .ToUpper().ToLower() should give you either 'ss' or 'ß' depending on what it was before As long as there is no unicode SS character, we are into the "what color are your bits" problem or tolower needs to be language and word aware. In .NET the uppercase and lowercase functions are culture aware (with defaults to system settings, which breaks more software than you might think) but not word aware AFAIK.
- bee_rider 4y ago> As long as there is no unicode SS character, we are into the "what color are your bits" problem or tolower needs to be language and word aware. It turns out there is such a unicode character -- ẞ/ß -- although based on other comments here it looks like it was added fairly recently. Upper/Lower case stuff just seems to be at an annoying intersection where it has cultural and also programming significance. Or at least, people will use toUpper when they really want some case-insensitive sortable version of the string. (based on some googling, probably localeCompare is the way to go in javascript at least).
- emptyfile 4y agoWhen your annual inflation is 75% (in reality more like 150%), start inventing nonsense to distract the population.
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- waqf 4y agoNext up: Guinea. And the Kiwis.
- henearkr 4y agoYep. And the best is: in Turkish language a turkey is called "hindi" (meaning India). And both of those words for the bird, turkey or hindi, come from the fact that in medieval times people where mixing up India, Middle-East, and America together, and thought of it as just "India". So the bird was named after the country. Thus, Frankurt should rename itself too, right? I mean, it's the same as a sausage, what a shame booo.
- prmoustache 4y agoIn portuguese the word for the bird is peru, probably for similar reason.
- laumars 4y agoThere are several sausages that share the prefix “Frankfurters” such as Frankfurter Würstchen (which is the hotdog style sausage that Americans have shortened to just “Frankfurter”). In fact it’s not just sausages that have that name, there’s also a cake called “Frankfurter Kranz”. And why do all these dishes have that name? Because they are specialities believed to have originated from Frankfurt am Main. In other words, they got their name from the city. This is pretty common to. In the U.K. we have Cornish Pasty, Yorkshire Pudding, English Breakfast, Scottish Breakfast. There’s Eccles Cake, welsh Cake, Bath buns, Chelsea Buns and Bakewell Tarts. You can get Irish Coffee and Irish Stew. Americans have no shortage of the same too. Like Mississippi Mud Pie.
- lstodd 4y agodon't forget hamburgers
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- rich_sasha 4y agoPoland ended communism with numerous streets dedicated to Lenin, Stalin, Dzierżynski et al. These went like overnight. But maybe grayscale patrons remained and lingered. If someone was "just" a prime minister, not particularly zealous, but still in the Soviet service, are they ok or not? There are different waves of "decommunisation" going throughout time. Thing is, each time renaming a street is a lot of havoc. Official records, business registration addresses, business cards, logos, subscriptions, everything needs to change. For this reason such changes end up stuck in limbo and are often eventually abandoned or undone. I wonder if Türkiye will encounter similar issues.
- usrusr 4y agoIn a way it's understandable that people like seeing their country called in their own language. But isn't that actually more a sign of irrelevance than a sign of status? A village does not have a toponym in any other language, but famous cities tend to have, and those who don't might be a bit short on history. How about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Germany ? (yes, we consider ourselves lucky that noone calls the country by what it's most famous for)
- kgeist 4y agoIt's true that the older and more famous a placename, the more likely it is to have different forms in neighboring languages. All languages evolve phonetically, and during the course of this evolution, the pronunciation of all words changes (independently in every language), including (especially) toponyms which were borrowed 500-1000 years ago. It's a sad misconception that if a toponym is pronounced differently, then it means it's "butchered". I think it's part of our common history and it should be embraced, not erased.
- usrusr 4y agoYeah, the truly interesting part is where you make the cutoff in regions where borders shifted. Straßburg instead of Strasbourg hopefully doesn't get perceived as a claim to the place and neither should Danzig, but I'd rather write Kaliningrad because those people are so damn thin-skinned, bordering on paranoia (they might even feel threatened by the letters Sank Petersburg, even if that can't possibly mean anything other than respect). But random villages that used to have a name in a language that isn't spoken there anymore? Hands off, unless you desperately want to sound "that way" (you shouldn't!). In an explicitly historical context, you should at least acknowledge the current name.
- kgeist 4y ago>but I'd rather write Kaliningrad because those people are so damn thin-skinned, bordering on paranoia In Kaliningrad, the locals colloquially call their city Koenig (short for Koenigsberg), they're totally fine with it. Although, the context matters, of course.
- robga 4y agoThe UK government is changing the full name ('State Title') only, not the short name ('Country Name'). The UK gov follows the standards set by the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names for British Official Use. This body includes the BBC, Royal Geographical Society, etc. So I suppose the BBC will continue to use Turkey. "Turkey; Republic of Turkey changed to Turkey; Republic of Türkiye" https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/country-names/country-name-changes-in-hmg-use-1919-to-2020 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/country-names/cou... https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/the-permanent-committee-on-geographical-names https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/the-permanent-committee... There is the precedent of Burma/Myanmar, "Country name remains Burma reflecting common British English usage". Similarly for Cabo Verde, "Cape Verde had circulated a request for this form to be used, though UK has retained the common English usage for the country name". However, it did recently change Swaziland to Eswatini and I know which one I'd vote for as being common usage. The ISO codes are not always adopted verbatim. e.g. The UK gov list does not include Taiwan. ISO plays both sides, giving it a country code but calling it a province of China. On the other hand the UK does include Kosovo which is not an ISO country but is recognised as one by approx 50% of nations including the UK. Other countries have similar national naming committees to the UK's PCGN, you can see a list here https://unstats.un.org/unsd/ungegn/nna/nna-committees/ https://unstats.un.org/unsd/ungegn/nna/nna-committees/
- thaumasiotes 4y ago> There is the precedent of Burma/Myanmar, "Country name remains Burma reflecting common British English usage". Myanmar has the much bigger problem that it has no adjectival form, requiring even the most politically correct people to use "Burmese". (Technically, that's not true - the official adjectival form, according to Myanmar, should be "Myanma". Good luck getting English speakers to understand that.)
- dragonwriter 4y ago> Technically, that's not true - the official adjectival form, according to Myanmar, should be "Myanma". Good luck getting English speakers to understand that. How is that any harder than Afghanistan => Afghan.
- manholio 4y agoIt seems absurd to try to find a "standardized" ISO country name, especially to enforce local names in English. Country names are both endonyms (for the inhabitants) and exonyms, the way certain cultures / linguistic areas refer to another country. How exactly do you transliterate Türkiye in Cyrillic or Mongolian script, where does the umlaut go? Why would you want that, instead of leaving Mongolians to use whatever traditional name they use for Turkey? And if Turkey can demand it, why not 日本, Deutschland or الإمارات العربية المتحدة ?
- Cyberdog 4y agoJapan seems content with "Japan" for now but they have been trying to get English speakers to say Japanese names with the family name first recently, but it hasn't really caught on outside of state organs. Note this NHK article about the funeral of "Abe Shinzo" attended by current PM "Kishida Fumio." https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20220712_31/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20220712_31/ (NHK is a state-run public broadcaster.) I do wonder why we say Chinese and Korean names in the proper "backwards" order but have historically flipped Japanese names.
- kenneth 4y agoI live in Hong Kong (and am a westener), and my identity documents flip my English name showing LAST, First Middle. It's never bothered me, but at least it's rather obvious given the capitalization and punctuation.
- causi 4y agoIt's interesting to me what we do and don't decide to translate. Like if a name is too far away from English we'll just turn it into English but if it's close enough to English an English-speaker could basically figure out what it sounds like we don't translate it.
- Havoc 4y agoAs someone with a special character in my name - would not recommend. Way too many legacy IT systems and poorly configured ones
- juanci_to 4y agoI was disappointed last year when filling an official COVID-19 form made by the Spanish Government that didn't support the acute accent in my very common (Spanish) last name.
- Accacin 4y agoSo, for any Turks out there. How do I pronouce 'Türkiye'?
- quasarj 4y agoWell, English lacks Ü, and İ, so in reality it will be Turkiye, which is will be said something like "turk-eye-eeee". You're welcome.
- BitwiseFool 4y agoWell if y'all are gonna be like that I'm just going to call you guys Anatolia. I'm bringing it back, baby! /s
- xdennis 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tur-T%C3%BCrkiye_Cumhuriyeti.ogg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tur-T%C3%BCrkiye_Cumhuriy...
- Aissen 4y agoNice, another marker to know the date when software libraries were last updated (a recent one is the Swaziland -> Eswatini name change in 2018). It can also be used as marker of the health of your opensource locale library.
- Fnoord 4y agoPerhaps someone's finalyly going to figure out Huawei products are EOL on release date?
- Asraelite 4y agoThe name change was to eSwatini, with a small e, but you wrote Eswatini. This is a trend I noticed in the months after the change - people started out using a small e but then gradually transitioned to a more normalized spelling. Now almost everyone writes Eswatini. I suspect the same will happen with Türkiye. For a while people will write it with ü but then eventually it will become Turkiye, without the diaeresis.
- Aissen 4y agoVery interesting, thanks.
- avgcorrection 4y agoWhy not Turkland?
- NKosmatos 4y agoStrange... No "keyboard wars" on the comments yet. That's something different compared to other forums where Greeks and Turks start fighting and swearing at each other about names, history, borders and so on. Interesting to note that this name change has to do with the "big vision" the current Turkish government has about the country, although I've read that this change is because they didn't like to be associated with the bird/animal Turkey :-)
- InCityDreams 4y ago"Turkey -> Türkiye", doth not the problem solve.
- youamericanloo 4y agonow Turkish people have personality. congratulation, I am impressed Türkiye. Find me handsome, kisses, mughhht!
- magicalhippo 4y agoWe make a product which sends data to some gov't system. If a user needs to send a correction, it should be done using the rules that were in place when the initial version was sent. So all code lists, including country codes or EU membership, needs to have a validity date range per entry. Fun!
- Abimelex 4y agowhen the standard doesn't respect itself: > List source: Türk Standardlari Enstitüsü (TSE), 1995-08-01; Administrative Map of __Turkey__ 2000;
- nailer 4y agoKeep in mind most people in 'Czechia' (the new official name for what we all call the Czech Republic) still prefer 'the Czech Republic'.
- rob_c 4y agogiven nobody can even agree and decide between GB and UK I'll just skip this and get back to work...
- tpoacher 4y agoI wonder how Türkiyish people feel about this change
- ismaildonmez 4y agoUnnecessary stunt from the government.
- m3rcury 4y agoAs a Turkish citizen, I found this change as stupid as hell
- ayhanfuat 4y agoI feel like a turkey saved from a trip to the slaughterhouse. https://twitter.com/brammerayse/status/1542535497146408962 https://twitter.com/brammerayse/status/1542535497146408962
- tpoacher 4y agoyou never know: https://www.change.org/p/change-the-name-of-the-bird-turkey-to-t%C3%BCrkiye https://www.change.org/p/change-the-name-of-the-bird-turkey-...
- xvedejas 4y agoI have wondered for a while how long until the English world starts calling Georgia "Sakartvelo", considering that some other languages have already made the change: https://www.rferl.org/a/lithuania-moves-change-official-name-goeriga-sakartvelo-from-russian-name-gruzia/28759383.html https://www.rferl.org/a/lithuania-moves-change-official-name...
- b4dot 4y agoI dunno Georgian but it really should be as Sakartvelo? Not like a base Kart(v) plus some local language changes for point of land? Because as I can see: - Fixes sa- and -o are for the area where X dwell⁰. For comapare, itʼs also used to sa-berʒn-eti «Greece»¹ sa-prang-eti «France»². - Suffix -eli is for the person is from X³. Also used for other people. Suffix -v- is debatable, maybe itʼs for places. So, I guess, in kinda Latin way itʼs Kart(v)ia. --- ⁰ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Georgia#Endonym https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Georgia#Endonym ¹ https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/საბერძნეთი#Georgian https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/საბერძნეთი#Georgian ² https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/საფრანგეთი#Georgian https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/საფრანგეთი#Georgian ³ https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/2503906 https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/2503906
- auganov 4y agoTerrible branding. Going from a high-recognition, easy to pronounce and spell name to this. It's pretty well-established simple names always perform better. If the Turkish government was very liberal perhaps it would earn them some goodwill among the literati, but they tend to hate Erdogan.
- 4lb0 4y ago> Easy to pronounce That's very anglocentric
- auganov 4y agoIn the big scheme of things, it's not the absolute easiest, but vs "Türkiye" there's no contest. Tur-key Tür-ki-ye 2 vs 3 syllables. "Tür" with the umlaut cannot be possibly easier than "Tur", can only trip people up. "Key" is the only anglo part, but "kiye" doesn't seem to follow any prevalent latin alphabet pronunciation intuition either. And once you know how to pronounce it, "key" is strictly simpler regardless of language. Nearly every language has their own name for Turkey because Türkiye is almost universally awkward regardless of how you write it down. The closest version that seems somewhat prevalent is something along the lines of Turkiya (usually spelled with a "ja"). But few seem to like the "ye". If I wanted to come up with a universal international name, I'd probably go with "Turkya" or "Turkia". Few languages have a different name for Ankara - almost as easy as it gets.
- InCityDreams 4y agoThat's very anglocentric. Isn't that the whole point?
- xdennis 4y ago> That's very anglocentric You must be confused. Nobody is saying Turkey should change its name in Turkish. This is about the name in English. And English should be Anglocentric.
- LAC-Tech 4y agoI don't care. I'm going to continue to spell it Turkey. I'm also going to continue write Kiev. Nothing against Ukraine or Turkey. But I feel zero need to change the way I name things in my native language.
- ESTheComposer 4y agoGuess we can just start calling you Bob then, since we don't care what people want to be called
- LAC-Tech 4y agoFunny you should mention that. My in-laws gave me a name in their own language, because they don't speak mine and very likely can't even pronounce my actual name. They didn't mean offence by, I didn't take offence to it, they're using their language and sounds they're comfortable with, everything is fine.
- ESTheComposer 4y agoUp to you whether to be offended or not, but that doesn't mean you can ignore other peoples' preferences and call them whatever you want. The amount of people who don't want to try and pronounce my 5 letter name and just want to give me an American name is ridiculous, and indeed offensive to me.
- LAC-Tech 4y agoYeah you have a very different mindset to me. I'd much, much rather people call me a name they know how to pronounce rather than listen to them butcher mine. I also think it's cool to have multiple names. Like Gandalf! Many are my names in many countries, Mithrandir among the Elves, Tharkûn to the Dwarves; Olórin I was in my youth in the West that is forgotten, In the south Incánus, in the North Gandalf; to the East I go not.
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- sedatk 4y ago"Türkiye" isn't Turkish. It originates from Latin "Turchia" (land of Turks) and later French "Turquie." Actually, "Turkey" is anglicized form of "Turquie." So, there's no difference between two words apart from that both got adapted to the phonetic repository of their respective languages. So, even if all English-speakers start using "Türkiye" today, it'll probably degrade to "Turkey" anyway. This was such a waste of resources. "Türkiye" has no meaning in Turkish. Proper "land of Turks" in Turkish would be "Türkyurdu" ("yurt" meaning home/homeland, yes, the same word for those large tents as they were the homes of nomadic Turks in Central Asia).
- SuperSandro2000 4y agoWhat do people do without a Ü on their keyboard?