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Don't you literally just buy a wall heater and plug it in? What am I missing here?

hef19898 4y ago
You don't seeem to uave an idea how domestic heating works in most oarts of Europe, do you? And that simple plug in heater will consume so much electricity that your gas heating would still be cheaper. Also, that wall heater doesn't heat your water supply... Edit: Assuming a plug in wall-heater does all of that, just how many of them would you need by November this year to change something?
- camgunz 4y ago
  Sorry, let's start over. 1. Cool, nuclear power, cheap electricity, great. 2. Hmm, looks like sometimes they explode in a pretty rude, nukey way. Maybe we should stick with coal, oil, and gas. 3. Yikes, climate change. But if we pull all our coal/oil/gas plants down we won't have enough energy and prices will skyrocket. Not enough wind/solar/hydro yet. 4. So... maybe nuclear is a good idea again? Cheap electricity? We're here. So your argument is we can't use nuclear because electricity is too expensive in Europe, when the whole idea is to increase the supply of electricity and thus bring down the price? > Also, that wall heater doesn't heat your water supply There are electric water heaters. > how many of them would you need by November this year to change something Maybe someone in this thread is arguing that we can both build a bunch of nuclear plants and distribute electrical heaters to people in ~4 months, but I'm not. This is all a long term thing isn't it? Don't we have to do this anyway for green energy?
  - hef19898 4y ago
    No idea why the concept of energy, in the scope of a national ecobomy, is so hard to understand. Of course you can heat with electricity, in the case of heat pumps even sustainable. Thing is, there are millions of house holds, commercial and industrial users that have decades of infrastructure in place heating with gas. No way to replace that in mid, let alone short term. Also, nobody will freeze to death in his house over this.
    - camgunz 4y ago
      > No idea why the concept of energy, in the scope of a national ecobomy, is so hard to understand. Please don't condescend! I agree this is a big job. > Of course you can heat with electricity, in the case of heat pumps even sustainable. Thing is, there are millions of house holds, commercial and industrial users that have decades of infrastructure in place heating with gas. No way to replace that in mid, let alone short term. Again we agree. My point is that we have to electrify for green energy anyway. May as well do it, right? Is your argument that we should only ever heat with gas, and electrification is a waste of time and money? Is there enough gas to do that? > Also, nobody will freeze to death in his house over this. The thing you're referring to is someone saying "In an emergency situation (a matter of life and death for the vulnerable)". Isn't it reasonable to consider this scenario? Why is it FUD?

hef19898 4y ago

You don't seeem to uave an idea how domestic heating works in most oarts of Europe, do you? And that simple plug in heater will consume so much electricity that your gas heating would still be cheaper. Also, that wall heater doesn't heat your water supply... Edit: Assuming a plug in wall-heater does all of that, just how many of them would you need by November this year to change something?

camgunz 4y ago
Sorry, let's start over. 1. Cool, nuclear power, cheap electricity, great. 2. Hmm, looks like sometimes they explode in a pretty rude, nukey way. Maybe we should stick with coal, oil, and gas. 3. Yikes, climate change. But if we pull all our coal/oil/gas plants down we won't have enough energy and prices will skyrocket. Not enough wind/solar/hydro yet. 4. So... maybe nuclear is a good idea again? Cheap electricity? We're here. So your argument is we can't use nuclear because electricity is too expensive in Europe, when the whole idea is to increase the supply of electricity and thus bring down the price? > Also, that wall heater doesn't heat your water supply There are electric water heaters. > how many of them would you need by November this year to change something Maybe someone in this thread is arguing that we can both build a bunch of nuclear plants and distribute electrical heaters to people in ~4 months, but I'm not. This is all a long term thing isn't it? Don't we have to do this anyway for green energy?
- hef19898 4y ago
  No idea why the concept of energy, in the scope of a national ecobomy, is so hard to understand. Of course you can heat with electricity, in the case of heat pumps even sustainable. Thing is, there are millions of house holds, commercial and industrial users that have decades of infrastructure in place heating with gas. No way to replace that in mid, let alone short term. Also, nobody will freeze to death in his house over this.
  - camgunz 4y ago
    > No idea why the concept of energy, in the scope of a national ecobomy, is so hard to understand. Please don't condescend! I agree this is a big job. > Of course you can heat with electricity, in the case of heat pumps even sustainable. Thing is, there are millions of house holds, commercial and industrial users that have decades of infrastructure in place heating with gas. No way to replace that in mid, let alone short term. Again we agree. My point is that we have to electrify for green energy anyway. May as well do it, right? Is your argument that we should only ever heat with gas, and electrification is a waste of time and money? Is there enough gas to do that? > Also, nobody will freeze to death in his house over this. The thing you're referring to is someone saying "In an emergency situation (a matter of life and death for the vulnerable)". Isn't it reasonable to consider this scenario? Why is it FUD?