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I think their big thing was understanding the difference between stated preferences vs revealed ones. They took away beloved perks of flying, and managed to sho

by im3w1l 4y ago

I think their big thing was understanding the difference between stated preferences vs revealed ones. They took away beloved perks of flying, and managed to show that people weren't willing to pay what it cost to provide them. I still remember their proposal for ultra-cheap standing-only tickets (couldn't get that one past regulators). Kinda wonder if it was seriously meant or not.

dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
Not sure about "cost to provide them" but unbundling is their game. Here are some prices (in euros): Under the seat bag: 0 Reserved seat: 10 10kg checked bag (carry on size): 16 20kg checked bag (full size): 26 A bag being overweight by 1kg: 70 So they get pricey quickly if you're taking any decent amount of luggage. God help you if you don't have accurate scales at home.
- tomjakubowski 4y ago
  Any non-flat rate pricing for baggage is godsent. I've long been annoyed that US airlines will charge the same amount to check a small bag, with a few pieces of lightweight passenger cabin contraband, as to check a giant 50 pound duffel bag.
  - kasey_junk 4y ago
    So long as the airlines rigidly enforce carryon size restrictions. It was bad enough when baggage was free, now you’ve got people slamming steamer trunks in the overhead cabinets just to avoid the fees.
    - Symbiote 4y ago
      Unless the flight is sufficiently empty, Ryanair staff often walk around the gate and get anyone with a large or heavy-looking bag to put it on a scale. (They have the scales available before check-in, so it's reasonably fair.)
- refurb 4y ago
  That’s the game with discount airlines. Not only baggage, but $ to print your boarding slip, $ to pay luggage fees at airport, etc. If you read the costs closely and can avoid them, they work great. I flew from SFO to Stockholm with Norwegian Airlines for $400 return on a 787. About the same as SFO to JFK. But it was no frills. No even free water served (you could ask for it) or any meals. If you prepare it’s great. If you don’t it’s pricey.
  - dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
    There was a similar deal for Paris/SFO return for $300, but United Airlines was determined to undercut them, so I got a United Airlines return flight instead for $275. The billing summary was hilarious: Fare USD $ 1.49 Taxes & Fees USD $ 273.96 Total USD $ 275.45
Symbiote 4y ago
Standing-only was a marketing stunt. No one could possibly expect it to be allowed by the regulators. Ryanair repeating this story gets them free advertising reassuring people that they try and minimise costs.

by im3w1l 4y ago

dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago

Not sure about "cost to provide them" but unbundling is their game. Here are some prices (in euros): Under the seat bag: 0 Reserved seat: 10 10kg checked bag (carry on size): 16 20kg checked bag (full size): 26 A bag being overweight by 1kg: 70 So they get pricey quickly if you're taking any decent amount of luggage. God help you if you don't have accurate scales at home.

tomjakubowski 4y ago
Any non-flat rate pricing for baggage is godsent. I've long been annoyed that US airlines will charge the same amount to check a small bag, with a few pieces of lightweight passenger cabin contraband, as to check a giant 50 pound duffel bag.
- kasey_junk 4y ago
  So long as the airlines rigidly enforce carryon size restrictions. It was bad enough when baggage was free, now you’ve got people slamming steamer trunks in the overhead cabinets just to avoid the fees.
  - Symbiote 4y ago
    Unless the flight is sufficiently empty, Ryanair staff often walk around the gate and get anyone with a large or heavy-looking bag to put it on a scale. (They have the scales available before check-in, so it's reasonably fair.)
refurb 4y ago
That’s the game with discount airlines. Not only baggage, but $ to print your boarding slip, $ to pay luggage fees at airport, etc. If you read the costs closely and can avoid them, they work great. I flew from SFO to Stockholm with Norwegian Airlines for $400 return on a 787. About the same as SFO to JFK. But it was no frills. No even free water served (you could ask for it) or any meals. If you prepare it’s great. If you don’t it’s pricey.
- dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
  There was a similar deal for Paris/SFO return for $300, but United Airlines was determined to undercut them, so I got a United Airlines return flight instead for $275. The billing summary was hilarious: Fare USD $ 1.49 Taxes & Fees USD $ 273.96 Total USD $ 275.45

Symbiote 4y ago

Standing-only was a marketing stunt. No one could possibly expect it to be allowed by the regulators. Ryanair repeating this story gets them free advertising reassuring people that they try and minimise costs.