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My unsupported personal belief is that the human body processes different carbohydrates in very different ways. Carbs that come from starch are not equivalent t

My unsupported personal belief is that the human body processes different carbohydrates in very different ways. Carbs that come from starch are not equivalent to carbs from cane sugar, and yet again not equivalent to honey, and again not equivalent to high fructose corn sryup, and again different from breads & pasta. Ratio of fiber to carbohydrate and how that carbohydrate is processed by the body is also important as well. Hence, french fries are not good, they have added sugar, the skin is removed, and they have a lot of added fats from the fried oils. That strikes me as a world of difference compared to a whole baked potato consumed with a sauteed broccolli with a side salad (plenty of fiber). Unrelated, and unsolicited 2 cents, IMO it's all about eating as many fibrous and leafy greens as possible. At that point, a moderate side of lean meat, potato, carb, practially whatever - does not matter so long as the fibrous and leafy greens are the majority source of calories.

goodpoint 4y ago
> personal belief is that the human body processes different carbohydrates in very different ways This is nutritional science 101. Slow-digesting carbohydrates like big-flake oats are really good. Fast-digesting things like sugars, processed foods, fast food and meat products are bad as they create spikes in the glycemic index.
- autoexec 4y ago
  > Slow-digesting carbohydrates like big-flake oats are really good. if only they tasted that way!
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    With enough brown sugar and butter they sure do. But I suppose that defeats the point...
- seadan83 4y ago
  I agree. I do wonder and was speaking a bit to other factors that I do not know but suspect, notably: - Do a high glycemic index food have a higher propensity to be stored on the body vs actually used? - Is the caloric absorption rate of high fructose corn sryup higher than say honey? Speaking to this, the body makes different choices on whether a food passes through you, is absorbed and used, or whether it is stored. It makes different choices in where and how to store that energy, all in all which makes me think that not all carbohydrates (or calories, or foods) are equal when actually consumed. That is not even getting started with on gut fauna and the effects of different foods on the microbial environments in our guts.
- sph 4y ago
  > meat products Are you saying meat products cause spikes in glycaemic index? Seriously?
autoexec 4y ago
> Unrelated, and unsolicited 2 cents, IMO it's all about eating as many fibrous and leafy greens as possible. At that point, a moderate side of lean meat, potato, carb, practially whatever - does not matter so long as the fibrous and leafy greens are the majority source of calories. If you eat a meal with a small steak and a baked potato, how many pounds of salad would you need to consume to get the majority of your calories from eating those leaves?
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- seadan83 4y ago
  Don't forget those broccoli stalks! But I think you make the point though, it's a lot of veg if you are going to be getting half of your calories or more from veg alone. Which also means you are going to feel pretty satiated and full from eating all that low calorie density food. I was a bit curious about the actual answer here. 1 oz steak has about 70 calories, 1 cup broccoli has about 30 calories. Seemingly you then need about a 3:1 ratio of servings veg to steak to hit that majority threshold. A whole potato has about 110 calories (about 150g), and broccoli by the same weight has about 50 calories, so about 2:1. Lettuce is known for having almost no calories in it, similar to tomatoes and cucumbers... There are lots of veg's out there, so don't just compare lettuce calories to the steak calories. "fibrous" greens include asparagus, brussel sprouts, bok choy, peppers, etc.. etc.. So.. to get that majority calories, two servings asparagus, one serving broccoli, a large salad, a small potato, and a tiny steak every third day or so or even less often would do it. There are also beans, lentils, whole-grains, plenty of sources so it's not just meat-potatos and leaves alone. On another front, that majority calories from veg means you are getting a ton of nutrients and are actually eating quite a lot. The idea of 'low calorie density' comes from this video by "Dylan Thomas" a professional cyclist and coach that produces a lot of data-based videos (and in the video, he goes into the studies and the science): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPVHGt3Nf9U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPVHGt3Nf9U (minute 9:00 is where he talks about having a majority veg diet)
- imtringued 4y ago
  That is impossible, you're supposed to throw in some calories e.g. at least some sunflower seeds or nuts.
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goodpoint 4y ago

> personal belief is that the human body processes different carbohydrates in very different ways This is nutritional science 101. Slow-digesting carbohydrates like big-flake oats are really good. Fast-digesting things like sugars, processed foods, fast food and meat products are bad as they create spikes in the glycemic index.

autoexec 4y ago
> Slow-digesting carbohydrates like big-flake oats are really good. if only they tasted that way!
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  With enough brown sugar and butter they sure do. But I suppose that defeats the point...
seadan83 4y ago
I agree. I do wonder and was speaking a bit to other factors that I do not know but suspect, notably: - Do a high glycemic index food have a higher propensity to be stored on the body vs actually used? - Is the caloric absorption rate of high fructose corn sryup higher than say honey? Speaking to this, the body makes different choices on whether a food passes through you, is absorbed and used, or whether it is stored. It makes different choices in where and how to store that energy, all in all which makes me think that not all carbohydrates (or calories, or foods) are equal when actually consumed. That is not even getting started with on gut fauna and the effects of different foods on the microbial environments in our guts.
sph 4y ago
> meat products Are you saying meat products cause spikes in glycaemic index? Seriously?

autoexec 4y ago

> Unrelated, and unsolicited 2 cents, IMO it's all about eating as many fibrous and leafy greens as possible. At that point, a moderate side of lean meat, potato, carb, practially whatever - does not matter so long as the fibrous and leafy greens are the majority source of calories. If you eat a meal with a small steak and a baked potato, how many pounds of salad would you need to consume to get the majority of your calories from eating those leaves?

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seadan83 4y ago
Don't forget those broccoli stalks! But I think you make the point though, it's a lot of veg if you are going to be getting half of your calories or more from veg alone. Which also means you are going to feel pretty satiated and full from eating all that low calorie density food. I was a bit curious about the actual answer here. 1 oz steak has about 70 calories, 1 cup broccoli has about 30 calories. Seemingly you then need about a 3:1 ratio of servings veg to steak to hit that majority threshold. A whole potato has about 110 calories (about 150g), and broccoli by the same weight has about 50 calories, so about 2:1. Lettuce is known for having almost no calories in it, similar to tomatoes and cucumbers... There are lots of veg's out there, so don't just compare lettuce calories to the steak calories. "fibrous" greens include asparagus, brussel sprouts, bok choy, peppers, etc.. etc.. So.. to get that majority calories, two servings asparagus, one serving broccoli, a large salad, a small potato, and a tiny steak every third day or so or even less often would do it. There are also beans, lentils, whole-grains, plenty of sources so it's not just meat-potatos and leaves alone. On another front, that majority calories from veg means you are getting a ton of nutrients and are actually eating quite a lot. The idea of 'low calorie density' comes from this video by "Dylan Thomas" a professional cyclist and coach that produces a lot of data-based videos (and in the video, he goes into the studies and the science): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPVHGt3Nf9U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPVHGt3Nf9U (minute 9:00 is where he talks about having a majority veg diet)
imtringued 4y ago
That is impossible, you're supposed to throw in some calories e.g. at least some sunflower seeds or nuts.

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